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What upgrade would U do..if you had my computer?

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I have a Dell Desktop.. 2.0 Ghz Intel processor with a nVidea 64MB GeoForce2 MX, 512 MB Ram and 80 Gig HD.I am using the Fsim9 with Megascenary .. Its a little slow.. but with the Captiansims 727.. it is very very slow..I would like to buy some hardware.. What is the weakest link that I can improve?I am thinking of getting a 256 MB Top of the line Video card ..whatever card that maybe.. Any suggestions?..would upping my RAM from 512Mb to 1Gig help? Can I upgrade my Processor without buying a new computer? ..what other option do I have?I am hooked on Fsim.. I need it to work properly..:)

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I'd get a new video card. I happen to like the ATI Radeon 9700/9800 Pro cards. Just my two cents. It would make a world of difference from what you have now.

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In your case, change video to Ti4200+/FX5600+/ATI9600+ can make a big different, however, you will lost your warranty if you upgrade by yourself.Unless you upgrade processor to P4 3.x+, or it wont make big different. Also, the mb may not support the faster CPU.So never buy the brand computer if you want to upgrade parts.

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My sytem is a gateway, similar specs and I upgraded RAM to 1GB and could not see any improvement. At least my eyes couldnt tell.So you do the video upgrade and let me know how it works :-)I Dont feel like spending more money right now.As far as I can tell the only thing FS9 understands is CPU power and after a ton of research, if your motherboard cant upgrade to P4/3.x then dont waste your time or money.Good luckBill

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Get a 9700 Pro. Good buy for the buck now. It'll make a huge difference in performance on your rig. You're biggest bottleneck is that terrible video card. If you feel you need more performance in the future, you can always add a bigger processor later. You do not void a Dell warranty buy changing components inside the computer. Dell just won't warranty the new parts. Before you do anything, confirm what power supply you have in that rig. A Dell 250 PS is plenty sufficient to run any of the radeon cards. If you have a Dell 220 watt PS, I'd do some research over at Dell Talk before you do anything. At the same time, check to see how big you can go on the processor with your current motherboard.

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yup The videocard is the bottle neck. I got a Radeon 9700 Pro aswell and I have to say Im very very happy with it, great perfromance.You CPU is still good enough to run FS2004 smooth. :-waveshocky :-hah"You talk so much , but you say so little" :-boom

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If you want to make a minor upgrade before upgrading in a year or so to the next generation system I would suggest a new video card. I have an XP1800+ (less processing power than yours) which runs fs9 & Megascenery well with an older 64MB Ti4200 card. (If you look around for a Ti4200 note that the newer 8xAGP Ti4200s cannot use the older 30.82 drivers, which some have found to work well with the Ti-xxxx series cards). And altho fs9 is always processor hungry, I'm sure the other cards mentioned would also show an improvement over your current video card.

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I did find that although going from Win98se to Win-XP did not increase the fps that much if at all, there is a noticeable smoothness difference because XP handles cache files better, so there are less if any bottlenecks causing FS9 to jerk at times in Win98se but less so if ever in XP, all at the same apparent fps. Especially at critical times like "landing", unless of course you dont land, but then why fly?Allen

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Thanks a lot Bigshot (No Irony here.. :)Yes.. I just checked.. I have a 250 Watt Power Supply.Manny

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I just bought myself a Radeon 9800 Pro and I was reading the installation manual.. They have Power Supply requirements on the inside (not outside) for the Radeon 9700/9500 series and the 9800 series,Consult your OEM to ensure your system has adequate power supply. Otherwise ATI recommends a 300 Watts or greater supply to ensure normal system operations...What do I do?How do I evaluate my 250 Watts is sufficent? I can't increase my PS can I?I have a Dell 4400 Pentium 2.0Ghz MAchineWhat would happen..if I go ahead and install it anyway?:(

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You can install a new power supply easily, it unscrews from the case very simply, in most cases. No more difficult than installing a video card :) Just unplug your power connectors, unscrew the PSU and it pulls out easily. The new PSU will have all the leads and connectors you need.It's not expensive either.You can go ahead and plug your new Video card in and see if it works ok. If you have insufficient power, wou will find that your system becomes unstable or won't boot properly. Too little power won't damage anything.250w may well be enough, providing you are not running too many peripherals on your system such as multiple hard drives, multiple CD drives, lots of USB devices such as scanners, joysticks, printers, mouse, etc.At least it will do until you have the time to buy a new PSU and install it.Hope that helps,Simon.

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Don't worry about it. A Dell 250watt PS is plenty. They rate them differently. It's as good as most 400 watt PS'. Just make sure you get all the nvidia drivers off that rig. There's some good driver cleaner programs available. I recommend the latest Omega drivers: http://www.omegacorner.com/index_ati.html

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>Don't worry about it. A Dell 250watt PS is plenty. They>rate them differently. It's as good as most 400 watt PS'. >Just make sure you get all the nvidia drivers off that rig. >There's some good driver cleaner programs available. I>recommend the latest Omega drivers:>> http://www.omegacorner.com/index_ati.html Same thing 250W with my Gateway. I hope it will be OK as I plan to go ATI route and soon as I see all the driver bugs resolved.Bill

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Thanks guys for all the advice... I really appreciate it.My initial purchase and installation of the Radeon 9800 Pro did not go well.. It simply sucked.. I had flickers.. I saw lines (barbershop), too much shimmering....just awefull.Paying $400-$500 bucks for a video card...and no proper Driver is simply not acceptable.. The Sorry #### company should get out of this business IMO.Well.. I exchanged it for a nVedia FX-5900 Ultra 256K and all those problems dissapeared... It works well with the latest Driver.. and I am OK.Thanks again.:)

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"Well.. I exchanged it for a nVedia FX-5900 Ultra 256K and all those problems dissapeared... It works well with the latest Driver.. and I am OK"Just curious on the 5900. Does it require special power connectors, and will a 250W PS be ok? Also what brand did you get?ThanksBill

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Seriously, Manny, how many times are you going to post this? "ATI sucks, blah blah f%*^$ them!" Hearing this once is fine, that's just your opinion, but hearing it repeatedly over the course of only a couple days is more like trolling. Sounds to me like you didn't even put any effort into getting your Radeon to run correctly, I sure didn't see you requesting any help or posting questions here. In fact, it's odd that you knew exactly what problems to look for/report... I'm going to leave it at that and let others make up their minds. You're entitled to hold whatever opinion you want of ATI, but is it really necessary to share it every couple hours or so?-Max Cowgill

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The video card is just about the only thing you can upgrade on a Dell cause most everything inside their box is proprietary. I had a Dell but got rid of it because you cannot go buy another motherboard for it and put it in there. If I was you, I would get rid of the Dell and go with something that in the future you can upgrade for a lot cheaper instead of buying a whole new box. Go to one of the boutique makers like Alienware, FalconNorthwest or Velocity Micro (mine is coming from Velocity Micro). That and at least if you need to get ahold of tech support, you will not be transfered to someone in India that barely speaks english and does nothing more than read off of Dell provided scripts which they cannot deviate from. If you don't believe that, go to Dell's own website and read the community boards. There are people there trashing Dell every chance they get over out-sourcing all there tech support overseas. Oh, and before anyone says I am against anyone from India, FALSE! I am against the way Dell has chosen to treat it's customers. Read the reviews at CNET and Dells own site to see what I am saying.

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Oh Just shut yer pie hole Max! You "hardware killer"! :-lol

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Hi bill,thats what I thought..I would require.,.. in Fact..the MAnual says.. I would require 400Watts..and my Dell has 250Watts..but It still works fine.. I had not upgraged my Dell with extra stuff anyway...If it didn't work.. I would have gotten a power Supply.What Brand?..Hmmm..Well..Let me go Check...OK.. It was the Asylum.Manny

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OK..OK...I apologize...Just like..I tend to tell others ...how great it is...with something I really like.. Fer instance.. the Mega Scenary.. [ Oh.. yeah..Did I tell you.. these (Megaschenary) are the good guys...unlike those ATI bad guys? :) ] I tend to warn others when I see some crap put out there..But I see that you use a GeoForce yourself..so you have not experienced the agony of the ATI card?BTW.. I have been reading all the ATI card config stuff here... and all the frustration folks have been having (I only wish.. I had read this before I bought my card.) No Point in asking the same Q anyway.. Well.. For that kind of money.. if you you need to be a Rocket scientist to get it to work reasonably well.. that that product Sucks.:)

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>Hi bill,>>thats what I thought..I would require.,.. in Fact..the MAnual>says.. I would require 400Watts..and my Dell has 250Watts..but>It still works fine.. I had not upgraged my Dell with extra>stuff anyway...>>If it didn't work.. I would have gotten a power Supply.>>What Brand?..Hmmm..Well..Let me go Check...OK.. It was the>Asylum.>>MannyMany thanks. I am thinking a Velocity Micro CPU only would be a good purchase. Price is very reasonable. Bill

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More useless opining. Enjoy your Gforce Card. "THE WAY YOU WERE MEANT TO BE PLAYED". That doesn't sound right. Isn't that the new Nvidia slogan? I read that somewhere recently. hehehe. Thought it was quite funny!!

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>More useless opining. Enjoy your Gforce Card. "THE WAY YOU>WERE MEANT TO BE PLAYED". That doesn't sound right. Isn't>that the new Nvidia slogan? I read that somewhere recently.>hehehe. Thought it was quite funny!!Yeah, almost as funny as having to run your high end ATI card at downgraded image quality settings to get it to clear up image issues with an "old" game like FS. ;) And please spare us the "I turn Trilinear filtering back on in the game" statements you have made in the past, "performance" mode does not allow application override here.

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You enjoy pushing buttons, don't yah!! That's a bunch of crapola. I sure as heck can tell the difference between bilineal and triliner filtering on my 21" Sony monitor. There's a huge difference in quality between the two filtering types. Night and day. Both FS2k2 and FS2k4 give me the option regardless of whether I'm running performance or quality AF. That's why there's so little difference in visual quality between Quality AF and Performance AF in the sim with ATI cards. Because I can select the trilineal filtering option in the game and it actually works. I know it's a technical compromise; but it looks great. That's what counts.Only GeForce cards won't let you run with trilinear filtered textures in performance mode. That's by driver design with Nvidia cards. Ask Nvidia why that is??? I'd like to know. Nvidia for some reason decided they knew best and not to let the gamers choose within the game settings.There's a whole technical article on how the two different graphics cards do this filtering over at the rage site. Way to techno for me to fully understand and appreciate fully; but my eyes don't lie. And I don't have to do anything. My card is perfectly capable of running Quality AF. In Flightsim with all the wide open spaces, I happen to like the look of performance mode with trilineal filtering selected. In other games that are more closed in, I choose quality AF ever time.

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