January 7, 201115 yr As I understand it, RC maintains separation between user and AI by telling AI to get out of the way. Is it supposed to do this at cruising altitude? I periodically have conflicts where I have to take evasive (and get pinged for busting altitude). Afterwards, I'll hear RC telling the AI "resume normal navigation". As far as I can tell, AI never departed from "normal navigation"So, what should I expect from RC in the way of separation by centers? _____________________________
January 7, 201115 yr Commercial Member As I understand it, RC maintains separation between user and AI by telling AI to get out of the way. Is it supposed to do this at cruising altitude? I periodically have conflicts where I have to take evasive (and get pinged for busting altitude). Afterwards, I'll hear RC telling the AI "resume normal navigation". As far as I can tell, AI never departed from "normal navigation"So, what should I expect from RC in the way of separation by centers?i would have to see a log, to see what happens.the way the ai populate the fs space, sometimes, one minute rc doesn't see them, because they aren't there. the next minute, they appear out of nowhere, in the worst possible place - right in front of you :-)i don't know how to control how/where they show upjd JD Read my blog
January 7, 201115 yr If you are a UT2 user be sure it is set to spawn AI aircraft at its maximum range so RC can see it soon enough. In FSUIPC after backing up FSUIPC.INI have this in the General settings:TCASrange=0which forces maximum AI detection range.In RC it sounds like you already have Interact with AI already on, necessary for AI diversion.
January 8, 201115 yr Author Understand about traffic just "showing up", however, the controller was able to see and call out the traffic. i.e. "... traffic @ 12:00, 10 miles, FL 350". It knew about it. It told me about it. It didn't move it. Is it possible for RC to see traffic in time to call it out but not move it?As for UT, I'm using UT 1.0, the really old stuff. Is there a similar setting for spawn distance? Added TCAS setting in fsuipc.ini as suggested. _____________________________
January 8, 201115 yr If you're having problems with AI at altitude shouldn't you be using TCAS??????vololiberista Super VC10 into LOWI with PF3 at a cinema near you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298UDyNmgUA
January 8, 201115 yr The UT series for FS9 does not spawn AI but lets FS9 do that. If UT1 was an FSX version I can't answer about spawning but I believe it is only in UT2. It was put there to reduce the FSX rendering load due to AI and give the user a choice.The TCAS Range setting actually controls the range of AI around the user that RC sees since that is the reporting facility in FSUIPC.If want the details this is from an RC5 test log for KMSP to KMDW depicting enroute AI around the user aircraft (This one is still on the ground at KMSP looking at what's in the air.):[83597]<TCAS_LOAD_AIR>=========================================================================================================================================================== |D to Me |REF # |DEP/ARR |---Callsign----|VN# |GATE |Latitude Longitude |Altitude Hdg |-GS- -VS- |State |FZ/COM XPNDR |-TAXI- |RWY |CTR |CntTwr|On Twr|TIPAH |TIPAH%|ClTOff|ClTOf%|ClTLnd|FLAG | 1 |64.2891 |-264 |KMJQ/KCWA |N581AM |0 | |43.90989 -93.87637 |5499.525 73 |127 -8 |Enroute |13568 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 2 |83.86868 |-266 |KMIC/KCJJ |N873CJ |0 | |43.63583 -92.32682 |5498.409 151 |125 -9 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 3 |40.19478 |-336 |2V5/KRZN |N327VB |0 | |44.9153 -94.1716 |7500.602 53 |121 8 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 4 |56.95865 |-273 |KRDK/KMIC |N532AP |0 | |44.03992 -93.85781 |5499.411 18 |115 -9 |Enroute |13568 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 5 |45.22098 |-274 |KPIA/14Y |N528TN |0 | |44.139 -93.00567 |4498.022 324 |109 -7 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 6 |72.95314 |-275 |KONA/KAXA |N111YC |0 | |43.85543 -92.30275 |4497.822 241 |122 6 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 7 |30.86893 |-368 |KSTP/O46 |N764YS |0 | |44.94021 -93.94828 |16180.61 278 |233 1986 |Enroute |10000 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 8 |47.61904 |-319 |KRPD/49U |N232HJ |0 | |45.24551 -94.22186 |12011.4 265 |140 20 |Enroute |9552 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 9 |56.86791 |-282 |0F3/KANE |N227DM |0 | |44.24251 -94.21715 |7501.792 37 |114 12 |Enroute |13568 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 10 |65.61489 |-285 |KANE/KHZE |N728SK |0 | |45.52288 -94.47881 |6008.421 292 |121 13 |Enroute |9552 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 11 |91.82066 |-293 |KFBL/KAID |N712LZ |0 | |43.65102 -91.94639 |5497.924 123 |139 -4 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 12 |60.12811 |-303 |KSTJ/KLXL |N567JJ |0 | |45.44434 -94.39803 |7008.857 4 |122 8 |Enroute |8453 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 13 |63.5704 |-308 |KRIW/KRST |N833PA |0 | |43.91634 -93.85633 |13499.32 88 |130 -78 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 14 |25.15185 |-281 |KATW/1D6 |N155HZ |0 | |44.61673 -92.76363 |6008.941 276 |107 1 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 15 |25.6204 |-271 |KFCM/0D8 |N749TC |0 | |44.84776 -93.82867 |6493.603 273 |114 5 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 16 |27.55913 |-349 |O46/KSTP |N367AL |0 | |44.8552 -93.87495 |12088.17 121 |306 -1989|Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 17 |59.11909 |-493 |KLSE/CJL5 |CGHLU |0 | |44.62083 -91.88745 |4495.599 328 |116 67 |Enroute |9520 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 18 |89.53561 |-318 |90D/KCIR |N738KB |0 | |43.69924 -91.94535 |5499.853 160 |115 -3 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 19 |7.628151 |-343 |KGKY/KELO |N245PG |0 | |44.90667 -93.05344 |21364.97 8 |257 0 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 20 |34.56313 |-344 |KMSP/KFSD |FLAGSHIP/2828 |0 | |44.30935 -93.08112 |17345.84 273 |350 2760 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 21 |25.12821 |-327 |Y19/6D6 |N258AA |0 | |45.2833 -93.09015 |5502.049 108 |125 -6 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 22 |71.86962 |-325 |KJHW/D42 |N238AF |0 | |44.01152 -92.06599 |9998.218 280 |118 20 |Enroute |6528 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 23 |67.61946 |-332 |KLAF/Y19 |N231EA |0 | |43.76204 -93.46738 |12000.38 305 |136 -1 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 24 |39.37085 |-299 |KATW/KTHP |N342YQ |0 | |44.40678 -92.5827 |13989.74 273 |163 -158 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 25 |50.57405 |-360 |KJFK/KMSP |SUNCOUNTR/246 |0 | |44.55579 -92.13023 |29142.35 323 |432 -2697|Enroute |9520 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 26 |23.00381 |-267 |KMOX/KFCM |N622DH |0 | |44.95214 -93.75813 |4903.524 134 |119 3 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 27 |16.00136 |-326 |KFAR/TJIG |N394AY |0 | |45.03983 -93.52481 |31335.97 123 |417 -35 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 28 |52.68773 |-365 |KDTW/KMSP |NORTHWEST/747 |0 | |44.50892 -92.10532 |29081.82 321 |412 -2508|Enroute |9520 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 29 |36.38342 |-276 |KLSE/KFFM |N567CN |0 | |45.2358 -93.91841 |4011.339 305 |110 -4 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 30 |14.32985 |-329 |KMSN/95D |N213TM |0 | |44.72265 -93.48572 |12499 299 |169 17 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 31 |9.029179 |-290 |KMQJ/CYXD |CFFAI |0 | |44.80268 -93.04214 |34344.34 322 |379 -54 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 32 |40.75385 |-287 |KROS/KLOU |N596PM |0 | |45.18759 -92.37361 |5499.281 143 |118 -8 |Enroute |13168 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 33 |22.7207 |-339 |KMSP/CYQR |FLAGSHIP/2898 |0 | |44.53829 -92.98619 |35365.34 340 |389 -119 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 34 |48.43583 |-330 |KANE/I42 |N712GN |0 | |44.38704 -92.32481 |9000.564 142 |102 54 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 35 |22.74003 |-346 |KMOT/KMSP |NORTHWEST/1466 |0 | |44.55935 -92.93423 |23249.69 4 |333 -2309|Enroute |9109 0 | |340 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 36 |37.88724 |-307 |KANJ/KFSD |N963EN |0 | |44.79617 -92.34421 |6009.379 251 |107 -7 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 37 |55.40359 |-256 |KFAR/D02 |N493BC |0 | |43.97331 -93.50056 |5497.417 143 |116 13 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 38 |25.07147 |-335 |KBIS/KOSH |N414GZ |0 | |45.27816 -93.38766 |7501.386 109 |121 0 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 39 |16.83806 |-268 |KRZN/Y58 |N732MM |0 | |45.08431 -93.49323 |6503.198 228 |118 10 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 40 |55.89199 |-366 |KSEA/KIAD |UNITED/916 |0 | |44.12848 -92.44798 |33375.97 115 |518 405 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 41 |16.45121 |-362 |KULM/CYKL |N232HT |0 | |45.13858 -93.11644 |9498.633 48 |142 -12 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 42 |41.81911 |-315 |KGCC/KBAX |N621VL |0 | |44.55528 -92.35664 |15003 88 |182 3 |Enroute |9520 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 43 |50.27914 |-283 |KMKT/KLUK |N392RJ |0 | |44.08826 -93.6286 |7304.04 123 |152 1217 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 44 |47.34583 |-323 |KOSH/KSTP |N946MB |0 | |44.75085 -92.12926 |7998.236 280 |105 31 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 45 |57.06375 |-324 |KGCC/KPTK |N218KP |0 | |43.93112 -93.07468 |16993.08 89 |170 31 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 46 |56.01814 |-272 |KANE/KIWH |N691MG |0 | |44.51001 -92.01924 |10993.16 126 |109 9 |Enroute |9520 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 47 |50.78304 |-334 |49U/KRPD |N125FB |0 | |45.2374 -94.31093 |13013.33 82 |147 11 |Enroute |9552 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 48 |52.64464 |-317 |M70/8Y2 |N971NQ |0 | |44.00992 -93.42537 |4497.715 347 |114 -5 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 49 |54.2509 |-278 |CPL5/KMIC |CFIXQ |0 | |45.24118 -92.05663 |5999.797 226 |122 7 |Enroute |13168 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 50 |45.96518 |-342 |98D/KATW |N498MH |0 | |44.62734 -94.24796 |5499.253 94 |124 -10 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 51 |51.03468 |-328 |CYPG/H19 |N415RW |0 | |44.47183 -94.28011 |5501.48 156 |117 -125 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 52 |43.59134 |-288 |10D/0Y4 |N589VF |0 | |44.74108 -94.23382 |6445.788 210 |126 -956 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 53 |24.70329 |-378 |KJXN/KHLN |N821NT |0 | |44.49408 -93.44424 |14500.59 288 |158 9 |Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 54 |58.01191 |-363 |KPCW/KGEG |N435TZ |0 | |44.94118 -94.58963 |14003.22 291 |147 20 |Enroute |9552 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 55 |52.06942 |-294 |14Y/KACQ |N666KN |0 | |45.203 -94.36512 |5010.917 156 |123 14 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 56 |21.70484 |-270 |KFRM/KCBG |N335ZJ |0 | |44.80005 -93.72636 |7501.347 22 |114 0 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 57 |47.19265 |-297 |Y14/KRCX |N529MT |0 | |44.44225 -94.15012 |5502.25 63 |119 -6 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 58 |50.09912 |-301 |KAEL/CJY3 |CFCVJ |0 | |44.1505 -93.8075 |4504.539 325 |119 -40 |Enroute |13568 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 59 |20.11968 |-321 |KBDX/KRGK |N823FQ |0 | |44.72379 -93.64872 |7501.438 98 |121 0 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 60 |24.75096 |-485 |KORD/KMSP |NORTHWEST/129 |0 | |44.52904 -92.91338 |13263.86 342 |301 -2123|Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 61 |10.51859 |-486 |CYWG/KMSP |FLAGSHIP/2851 |0 | |44.82939 -93.46599 |27990.57 129 |430 -2578|Enroute |13445 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 62 |11.57274 |-487 |KSTC/KMSP |MESABA/2762 |0 | |44.90035 -93.4976 |9003.577 134 |251 1 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 63 |31.23461 |-488 |KDFW/KMSP |FLAGSHIP/4703 |0 | |44.37465 -93.42508 |28124.11 78 |363 -2323|Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 64 |33.15442 |-249 |KAIT/KMKT |N299XA |0 | |45.29354 -93.73999 |5998.476 148 |145 -1 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 65 |39.79922 |-251 |KPNM/KUNU |N612KG |0 | |45.03477 -92.31749 |5001.126 121 |128 -5 |Enroute |13168 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 66 |48.81049 |-254 |KOEO/KSQI |N415QW |0 | |44.67151 -92.11834 |5011.62 148 |118 0 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 67 |25.93258 |-337 |KMIC/KCQB |N644QJ |0 | |44.52342 -93.57947 |14786.27 199 |176 1316 |Enroute |12853 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 68 |43.33426 |-258 |KMOX/KFCM |N862YG |0 | |45.06325 -94.21347 |5011.094 98 |116 4 |Enroute |9808 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 69 |37.88683 |-263 |C02/KFCM |N334DL |0 | |44.46218 -92.55676 |4499.039 300 |109 -6 |Enroute |8480 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 70 |28.96303 |-279 |KSSQ/KULM |N893LG |0 | |44.68237 -93.85056 |10495.87 234 |118 19 |Enroute |9472 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 71 |47.12725 |-269 |2Y4/KHYR |N846RF |0 | |45.19094 -92.20942 |7501.378 31 |114 1 |Enroute |13168 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 72 |52.84663 |-491 |PANC/KORD |CATHAY/80 |0 | |45.58228 -92.48052 |37293.25 106 |502 -197 |Enroute |13168 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive| 73 |61.05896 |-492 |KVGT/KRHI |N599DD |0 | |44.42049 -94.50678 |17002.71 64 |286 3 |Enroute |10000 0 | |0 |316 |False |False |False |False |False |False |False |ALive[83597] </TCAS_LOAD_AIR> <ET 0> <MIN 0> <MAX 1> < AVG0.02>..........................................................................................................................................|That should keep you busy :) So you can see that the TCAS range setting is important to RC.
January 10, 201115 yr Commercial Member Understand about traffic just "showing up", however, the controller was able to see and call out the traffic. i.e. "... traffic @ 12:00, 10 miles, FL 350". It knew about it. It told me about it. It didn't move it. Is it possible for RC to see traffic in time to call it out but not move it?As for UT, I'm using UT 1.0, the really old stuff. Is there a similar setting for spawn distance? Added TCAS setting in fsuipc.ini as suggested.if i gave you a traffic advisory, that means that i saw the ai, calculated it's path, your path, and determined if there was any point that both aircraft would be close enought horizontally or vertically to cause a traffic advisory. a traffic advisory doesn't necesarilly mean there would be a collision, requiring me to move the ai out of the way.if this continues to be an issue, i suggest making a log so i can see what is happening.jd JD Read my blog
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