Sounds good. It looks like my choice of place of purchase was a good one. I went to ShopBLT which I've never heard from before but they had $2 ground shipping from a CA warehouse and sure enough, I placed the order yesterday and they put it on a truck in an hour and it'll be at my doorstep this afternoon. My father, a CFI, enjoys simming also and I bought him the CH Yoke a few years ago before I got into it. I've showed him the PFC yokes and he just shrugged with the same thing: "It's not the real thing so just buy the cheaper 'not the real thing'." Good words. :) EDIT: Looks like it was just delivered. 5 stars for that site! It took 24 hours and 45 minutes from placing an order to arriving at my doorstop with the free ground shipping option! Not to make sure it's the correct product and in good shape ;)

Sounds good. It looks like my choice of place of purchase was a good one. I went to ShopBLT which I've never heard from before but they had $2 ground shipping from a CA warehouse and sure enough, I placed the order yesterday and they put it on a truck in an hour and it'll be at my doorstep this afternoon. My father, a CFI, enjoys simming also and I bought him the CH Yoke a few years ago before I got into it. I've showed him the PFC yokes and he just shrugged with the same thing: "It's not the real thing so just buy the cheaper 'not the real thing'." Good words. :) EDIT: Looks like it was just delivered. 5 stars for that site! It took 24 hours and 45 minutes from placing an order to arriving at my doorstop with the free ground shipping option! Not to make sure it's the correct product and in good shape ;)

Sweet......looks like you got a better deal than me.I went with Buy.com and got dinged with CA sales tax but I have used them for many years and they're returns warehouse is just down the street.I just ordered that switch panel thingy that sits on top as well.....mostly to block the view of my 5lb weight lol.Also getting ready to place an order for a yoke mount iphone holder from Sportys pilot shop hehe.Ok be sure to install the latest driver from Saitek so all your buttons work.I tried it without the drivers but FSX only saw the axis movements.Also your gong to feel a very slight what I call stickyness in the elevator movement with very fine adjustments.......but I also had the same thing on my PFC Cirrus yoke which is why I sold it and bought the PFC Jetliner model instead.For almost 600.00 usd I couldnt live with it on the Cirrus but under 200.00 for this I can hehe.I just trim out the fine movements with the electric trim switch.Look forward to hear your thoughts on the kit too.

hi, Is the detent issue still there?THX

Sounds good. It looks like my choice of place of purchase was a good one. I went to ShopBLT which I've never heard from before but they had $2 ground shipping from a CA warehouse and sure enough, I placed the order yesterday and they put it on a truck in an hour and it'll be at my doorstep this afternoon. My father, a CFI, enjoys simming also and I bought him the CH Yoke a few years ago before I got into it. I've showed him the PFC yokes and he just shrugged with the same thing: "It's not the real thing so just buy the cheaper 'not the real thing'." Good words. :) EDIT: Looks like it was just delivered. 5 stars for that site! It took 24 hours and 45 minutes from placing an order to arriving at my doorstop with the free ground shipping option! Not to make sure it's the correct product and in good shape ;)

lol well that was some super fast shipping! not bad ShopBLT sounds good so far it would take longer considering Am in the east coast.

Sweet......looks like you got a better deal than me.I went with Buy.com and got dinged with CA sales tax but I have used them for many years and they're returns warehouse is just down the street.I just ordered that switch panel thingy that sits on top as well.....mostly to block the view of my 5lb weight lol.Also getting ready to place an order for a yoke mount iphone holder from Sportys pilot shop hehe. Ok be sure to install the latest driver from Saitek so all your buttons work.I tried it without the drivers but FSX only saw the axis movements.Also your gong to feel a very slight what I call stickyness in the elevator movement with very fine adjustments.......but I also had the same thing on my PFC Cirrus yoke which is why I sold it and bought the PFC Jetliner model instead.For almost 600.00 usd I couldnt live with it on the Cirrus but under 200.00 for this I can hehe.I just trim out the fine movements with the electric trim switch. Look forward to hear your thoughts on the kit too.

Thanks Chris it seems that the shaft of the yoke is the same as the regular saitke yoke

hi, Is the detent issue still there?THX

Was trying to find out but it looks like most likely the yoke shaft and parts are the same as the Pro Flight Yoke System and maybe the only thing that was modified was the 90 degree's of turning from center and the buttons since there is that stickyness in the elevator control from what Chris posted above.

I am setting it up currently. Yes, it looks like it acts similar to the non-Cessna yoke. I was hoping for more of a jump similar to the Pro Flight Rudders -> Combat Rudders. The 90 degree turn is very nice. I do wish it had an adjustable elevator center like the CH does. I am surprised at the amount of tension needed to move the elevator past a certain point, too. This seemed to be listed as a disadvantage of the CH yoke. Granted, I think the CH yoke requires much more force; in fact, I feel like I'm going to rip it off the desk half the time. My main problem is I can't set it up on my desk. I have a pull-out keyboard tray which doesn't pull out long enough to fit the yoke and I can't put it on the main desk as the keyboard tray is in the way. I am setting it up on another desk until I can get a better solution. In just playing with it the center detent is not perfect but does not seem as bad as I was expecting: the elevator detent seems to be more of an issue than the aileron. In fact, my joystick I've been using (MS Sidewinder) has a stronger detent. I'll see if my opinion changes once I play. I am thinking the rubber band mod may be a good one anyway. Side note: the throttles that come with it look the same as the throttle sold separately but move much nicer. The separate quadrant feels very cheap and makes a grinding-on-plastic noise as you move it up and down like it's riding on sandpaper. The PS2 quadrant moves much smoother and makes no sandpaper feel.

I am setting it up currently. Yes, it looks like it acts similar to the non-Cessna yoke. I was hoping for more of a jump similar to the Pro Flight Rudders -> Combat Rudders. The 90 degree turn is very nice. I do wish it had an adjustable elevator center like the CH does. I am surprised at the amount of tension needed to move the elevator past a certain point, too. This seemed to be listed as a disadvantage of the CH yoke. Granted, I think the CH yoke requires much more force; in fact, I feel like I'm going to rip it off the desk half the time. My main problem is I can't set it up on my desk. I have a pull-out keyboard tray which doesn't pull out long enough to fit the yoke and I can't put it on the main desk as the keyboard tray is in the way. I am setting it up on another desk until I can get a better solution. In just playing with it the center detent is not perfect but does not seem as bad as I was expecting: the elevator detent seems to be more of an issue than the aileron. In fact, my joystick I've been using (MS Sidewinder) has a stronger detent. I'll see if my opinion changes once I play. I am thinking the rubber band mod may be a good one anyway. Side note: the throttles that come with it look the same as the throttle sold separately but move much nicer. The separate quadrant feels very cheap and makes a grinding-on-plastic noise as you move it up and down like it's riding on sandpaper. The PS2 quadrant moves much smoother and makes no sandpaper feel.

Are you able to get the blue prop knob working by chance? Its recognized in the calibration software but not in FSX :{

Are you able to get the blue prop knob working by chance? Its recognized in the calibration software but not in FSX :{

EDIT: I just loaded the Carenado F33A and the all three axis (throttle, pitch and mixture) work perfectly. I just tried the 172 so no prop pitch in that one. I will say: flying with a yoke = awesome! The detent is almost a non-issue in flying. As expected, the force to pull the elevator is the only issue I have. I had no problems flying with my fingers aileron-wise. The throttle and the mixture work great. I just bought FSPUIC so I'm learning it. I didn't install any Saitek drivers; I simply plugged in and calibrated everything in the Windows game controller settings and then loaded FSX with FSPUIC and am setting things in there. I do need to calibrate through FSPUIC or it only sees half of the movement of the throttles though this may be due to me not having the Saitek drivers installed. The only issue I am having is that FSX is still doing non-linear aileron movement so I have to move the controller 45 degrees to do a 15 degree movement! I am unsure how to tell FSPUIC to fix this. Again, installing the drivers may fix this. All in all, off to a solid if imperfect start.

EDIT: I just loaded the Carenado F33A and the all three axis (throttle, pitch and mixture) work perfectly. I just tried the 172 so no prop pitch in that one. I will say: flying with a yoke = awesome! The detent is almost a non-issue in flying. As expected, the force to pull the elevator is the only issue I have. I had no problems flying with my fingers aileron-wise. The throttle and the mixture work great. I just bought FSPUIC so I'm learning it. I didn't install any Saitek drivers; I simply plugged in and calibrated everything in the Windows game controller settings and then loaded FSX with FSPUIC and am setting things in there. I do need to calibrate through FSPUIC or it only sees half of the movement of the throttles though this may be due to me not having the Saitek drivers installed. The only issue I am having is that FSX is still doing non-linear aileron movement so I have to move the controller 45 degrees to do a 15 degree movement! I am unsure how to tell FSPUIC to fix this. Again, installing the drivers may fix this. All in all, off to a solid if imperfect start.

Thank's for all the information Timmer I really appreciate it I am glade its working out well for you hopefully I can get one in a few weeks from now. Chris I wish I could help maybe you can try in the main fsx forum or the saitek forum. .http://www.saitekforum.com

Hi thank you guys for the replies about the detent. I am happy with my CH yoke and I will keep it till it dies...Next step for me is to find out if the trim wheel works fine and if there is indeed a problem when the autopilot is switched off (see my post in the trim wheel thread but nobody has replied yet)

@yankeegolf3: Yes, I am worried about that trim wheel, too. Although maybe the FSUIPC has an option that might help. Also to add to my feedback of the Cessna yoke: it works 100% beautifully in X-Plane 9. Even better than in FSX. I need to figure out why FSUIPC wants to do a non-linear aileron axis for it when it is set up linearly. It makes it very annoying to have 90 degrees of freedom and still have a non-linear scale of turning. In XP9, once the axis are set correctly, everything worked like a charm. I now need to take back some critiques of flying in XP9 as the planes operate much more smoothly than with my MS Sidewinder which, for some reason, turned the Cessna 172 into a modern aerobatic high-performance plane. I may try setting the yoke axis into FSX and calibrating through FSUIPC and see if that helps. I may even install the drivers *gasp* as a last resort!

@yankeegolf3: Yes, I am worried about that trim wheel, too. Although maybe the FSUIPC has an option that might help. Also to add to my feedback of the Cessna yoke: it works 100% beautifully in X-Plane 9. Even better than in FSX. I need to figure out why FSUIPC wants to do a non-linear aileron axis for it when it is set up linearly. It makes it very annoying to have 90 degrees of freedom and still have a non-linear scale of turning. In XP9, once the axis are set correctly, everything worked like a charm. I now need to take back some critiques of flying in XP9 as the planes operate much more smoothly than with my MS Sidewinder which, for some reason, turned the Cessna 172 into a modern aerobatic high-performance plane. I may try setting the yoke axis into FSX and calibrating through FSUIPC and see if that helps. I may even install the drivers *gasp* as a last resort!

That is indeed a pain if all else fails you could try the guys at http://forum.simflig...dowson-modules/ fsuipc or saitek forum. ibanez737 Yeah that's in awesome setup he has I have a broken ch yoke and a cheap but works good saitek st290 pro lol

@yankeegolf3: Yes, I am worried about that trim wheel, too. Although maybe the FSUIPC has an option that might help. Also to add to my feedback of the Cessna yoke: it works 100% beautifully in X-Plane 9. Even better than in FSX. I need to figure out why FSUIPC wants to do a non-linear aileron axis for it when it is set up linearly. It makes it very annoying to have 90 degrees of freedom and still have a non-linear scale of turning. In XP9, once the axis are set correctly, everything worked like a charm. I now need to take back some critiques of flying in XP9 as the planes operate much more smoothly than with my MS Sidewinder which, for some reason, turned the Cessna 172 into a modern aerobatic high-performance plane. I may try setting the yoke axis into FSX and calibrating through FSUIPC and see if that helps. I may even install the drivers *gasp* as a last resort!

Hmmmm.........I tried it in X-Plane 9 and my throttle prop axis isnt recognized there either.Whats driving me nutty is it shows up working in the game devices test and also Saitek ST software.FSUIPC isnt recognizing it either btw.Two emails to Saitek and still no response.The Saitek support forum is closed to new registration so I cant post there.Getting a little miffed.Not sure what to do at this point.Timmer what OS are you using on your sim computer if you dont mind me asking?

Hmmmm.........I tried it in X-Plane 9 and my throttle prop axis isnt recognized there either.Whats driving me nutty is it shows up working in the game devices test and also Saitek ST software.FSUIPC isnt recognizing it either btw.Two emails to Saitek and still no response.The Saitek support forum is closed to new registration so I cant post there.Getting a little miffed.Not sure what to do at this point.Timmer what OS are you using on your sim computer if you dont mind me asking?

I'm sorry you're having issues! That's always frustrating. I'm using Win7-64. I think you may have to try returning it -- Buy.com has a good return policy, though, so you should be alright just some frustration. In XP9 I just moved the throttles to see which axis it was recognizing. Unfortunately, I don't have any other ideas for you to try. Also, I never loaded any drivers. If you have, try removing them, rebooting, reconnecting and just using it sans-drivers. Saitek is not for drivers that hurt more than help. Let me know if I can help any other way!

Just opened mine to fix the elevator issue (took the top spring off and replaced it with a rubber band). It has worked wonders. As you can see, the roll axis is different from the regular saitek yoke.Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I owned a Pro Flight Yoke. I sold it, because I was unable to do a precision approach in a 737 due to elevator stickiness when flown onehanded.Since I see there is another mechanism in place for the aileron, I guess this also impacts performance of the elevator when in one handed use, I would like to know your personal experience.How strong are the springs? I used to mod my old Saitek, but soon stopped with it, since the stickiness was so bad, if I pushed or pull a bit, I would get no movement and then a rash movement that was usually too much.PFC is out of my financial range and currently on the MS FF2 which is working good and is really precise.I'm not that keen to modding again as that would mean breaking the warranty and not able to return it if it doesn't work out.Besides, I can hardly try out the yoke when ordering online, and 200€ is not just so change...Could someone make a fast video on how yoke behaves in concern to stickiness? Like small movement, one hand use...?