The 777 incident was due to the PF selecting the A/P instead of the Auto throttle arm before take off, they nearly didn't rotate the aircraft.

The report I read said they started the takeoff roll without flipping the A/T ARM switches to on and the thrust levers didn't advance as a result when they pressed the TOGA button - the PF reached up to turn them on and inadvertently hit the AP button that's right next to them, which caused the downward trim and nearly failed rotation.

Also remember:- for the 737: don't look at the MCP for mode verification.- look at the mode annunciator on the PFD!Bert Van Bulck

This goes for any Boeing - the FMA is god.

The report I read said they started the takeoff roll without flipping the A/T ARM switches to on and the thrust levers didn't advance as a result when they pressed the TOGA button - the PF reached up to turn them on and inadvertently hit the AP button that's right next to them, which caused the downward trim and nearly failed rotation.This goes for any Boeing - the FMA is god.

Ryan,Simple question, without starting a Boeing/Airbus ###### discussion.Is the fact that the MCP doesn't always reflect the actual flight mode, to be called a flaw or is/was it a counscious descision of Boeing to design it this way?Bert Van Bulck

This goes for any Boeing - the FMA is god.

Correction, The PIC is god..