Thanks Nixon,I'm tossing up between the version that you have (which also has a flap and gear lever and more) to the stand-alone trim that is also offered. The advantage to me of the latter is that it has the same number of turns that the real Cessna trim has for the trim range, and looks (haven't felt it yet) quite like the real thing. I fly C172's, so adding a dose of realism through a trim wheel might be cool- but not at the expense of interfering with the NGX (for those that may be wondering why a discussion about "simple GA aircraft" is in the NGX forum, my original post asked whether such a trim device would cause issues in the NGX where trim is activated by the AP- which I would;t like to screw up...)But I'm still interested too in what you have. Could you confirm that when using the trim for "simple GA aircraft" that it has multiple turns of the knob to cover the entire trim range, or does it only turn through one or less revolutions?Thanks, Bruce.

Thanks for that info Dazz. Just so you'll know I attempted your LUA with the Saitek to see if it would work.It appears that it doesn't like the script at all. Of course it could just be my setup but it really sent my sim into a frenzy.I am not by any means an expert on LUA but it appears as if it would not kill.Even after closing out of FSX and attempting to restart the sim, my computer said that FSX was still running.The only way to restart FSX was to reboot the computer. I had to delete the LUA and the entire NGX profile in the FSUIPS.ini file to get back to normal.Just to be fair, I have been playing with another new LUA that has not been working out either, so it may just have been a conflict between the two.No big deal but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

Damn. I'll take it offline just in case. Sorry JimI Have a different version that uses a timer instead of threads. If you want to try it let me know

Well, I guess that's also if the NGX will take standard fsx controls for the trim

It won't Dan. It does what Jim sees with his trim wheel: move in one direction only

You misread, Dario. I mean if the NGX will see what FSX will. I just tested and it does, so what I wrote should work without the need for untested scripts or any other major effort. The only thing now is to know if that wheel can be seen as a button in "FSX CONTROLS". If it can then it will work. To be more clear; I have a lever, when it goes to a detent it triggers a button. I set this as trim in FSX's controls gui. I launched the NGX. It works both up and down. Questions? The only factor now again is can someone with the wheel open fsx controls, go to buttons, click something and test to see if the wheel can be used as a button? If so, it will work. Everyone rather play with scripts and dll's when it's normally not necessary though so do as you must. Having all your controls in FSUIPC does absolutely nothing but reassure people they're there and make them feel competent haha.I built a sim pit back in 2002. Not what people around here call a sim pit though (several gadgets and screens is not a sim pit). Using all available controls resources is best now as it was back with FSUIPC ver.0001If the wheel cannot be seen as a button in "FSX CONTROLS", then Linda would probably work.

You misread, Dario. I mean if the NGX will see what FSX will. I just tested and it does, so what I wrote should work without the need for untested scripts or any other major effort. The only thing now is to know if that wheel can be seen as a button in "FSX CONTROLS". If it can then it will work. To be more clear; I have a lever, when it goes to a detent it triggers a button. I set this as trim in FSX's controls gui. I launched the NGX. It works both up and down. Questions? The only factor now again is can someone with the wheel open fsx controls, go to buttons, click something and test to see if the wheel can be used as a button? If so, it will work. Everyone rather play with scripts and dll's when it's normally not necessary though so do as you must. Having all your controls in FSUIPC does absolutely nothing but reassure people they're there and make them feel competent haha.I built a sim pit back in 2002. Not what people around here call a sim pit though (several gadgets and screens is not a sim pit). Using all available controls resources is best now as it was back with FSUIPC ver.0001If the wheel cannot be seen as a button in "FSX CONTROLS", then Linda would probably work.

Yep, it works.Anyway, the script is to map an axis to the trim, and that can't be done via standard FSX assignments or even FSUIPC assignments. It needs to translate axis inputs to button presses. If the wheel doesn't behave like an axis but like an encoder, then yeah, your solution is perfect.By the way, there are tons of offsets in FSUIPC that can't be accessed through standard FSX controls, and FSUIPC provides with lots of tools and libs to manage a number of things that would be imposible to do with a simple edit in the Standard.xml, not sure what you mean with "make them feel competent" but it has nothing to do with that. For example, the script displays the value of the trim in the message line so you don't need to pan around to check the trim position. The script is tested and works perfectly well here, but I just have my gear to test it. If it doesn't play well with CH or GoFlight I can't possibly knowI'm currently using buttons for the trim. it takes a single line instruction in Lua and it's not to make me feel competent, it's just because I don't see the point in having my settings all over the place, in the FSX GUI, FSUIPC's, Linda, custom Lua... rather keep them all in one place. Now with Linda and with the exception of axis, you can manage all the assignments and scripts in a nice GUI, something that FSUIPC is not very good at. As a GUI Linda is leaps and bounds superior to the FSX built in control assignment anyway

The comment about feeling competent wasn't to anyone specifically, it's just that some people rather map a control or go through so much other trouble thinking that light switch or whatever really benefits from more sophisticated means. I honestly don't need lessons though from you on scripts, trust me. We've had discussions before on them and I'm pretty sure I was proven correct in both instances. I'm not trying to argue with you, just give a much simpler alternative. If the wheel cannot be seen in FSX as a button then fine, but if it can be then it's just asinine to make things more complicated than they should be. I love my toyz and am more than competent to get them all to work however I want, but I also believe in the saying "Keep it simple, stupid".

Hi BruceYes it has multiple turns and you can set the sensitivity of the wheel ie a less sensitive setting means you have to rotate the wheel more to set the same amount of trim. I find that setting better as it makes it easier to make small trim changes. Hope that helps.

Thanks Nixon, much appreciated.Bruce.

Pleasure BruceHave you decided yet on which trim wheel you will buy? I have to admit I had problem with the Saitek yolk and got rid of it for an Elite one. Mind you that was a while ago and the Saitek throttle quadrant I have works well but I only use it with the NGX, single engine GA and warbirds. I use my GoFlight throttles for most of my airliners and twin engine props.

Still deciding thanks, Nixon. I have a CH yoke (which is somewhat now dated, but is the USB version) and rudder pedals, and the Saitek throttle quadrant, and use FSUIPC to manage them and for calibration. Works well so far. However, I also know that I need to do something with any type of trim wheel connected to the sim when I also want to use electric controls for the trim, as the wheel will provide a static position to the trim and counter-act any electric control (whether through the AP or the electric switches).I’m not familiar with the Elite yoke, but does it have built-in throttle/prop/mixture levers? If so, what do you sue them for (presuming you are using the Saitek throttle quadrant for throttle(s) etc.).Thanks, Bruce.PS. Talking of electric trims, on my Instrument Rating check-ride I was asked to perform an approach using the AP in the C172 that we were flying, so I set up the AP on vectored approach to the FAF. In the process (before the actual descent to the runway was active), we experienced something called “Electric Trim Runaway”, where the electric trim wanted to force the nose down, and it started to result in a lot of backwards force on the yoke to hold altitude. I threw the view limiting device off and declared to the DE that we were abandoning the ILS approach, switched off the electric trim and AP, easily regained control of the aircraft and landed, thinking I had blown the check-ride. The DE was apparently quite impressed, as I passed….. with some complimentary comments regarding my authority as PIC. This is OT, but this whole thread has revived that memory of some years ago now…..

"I’m not familiar with the Elite yoke, but does it have built-in throttle/prop/mixture levers? If so, what do you sue them for (presuming you are using the Saitek throttle quadrant for throttle(s) etc.)."Hi BruceNo my Elite yolk does not have built in throttle levers. I think you can buy a version that does (It's over three years since I got mine so my memory of the alternatives is hazy) The yolk was expensive but in my view it has a much more realistic feel. Mine has been modified to include the GoFlight eight switch module inside it's case. I use the switches for my GA flying and have them mapped to the following1. Nav lights2. Beacon3. Stobe4. Taxi light5. Landing lights6. Fuel pump7. Avionics8. BatteryI use my Saitek throttle quadrant for GA flying and also the NGX and Jetstream and I use my GoFlight throttles for the MD11,747 and my twin engine props such as the Real Air Duke, Turbine Duke and Flight 1 DC2.I hope Santa is feeling generous!

Thanks Nixon, I will need to work on Santa's generosity... :)

The only thing now is to know if that wheel can be seen as a button in "FSX CONTROLS". If it can then it will work.

Dan, My fault for not making it clear that both FSX and FSUIPC recognize the Saitek TW as an "Axis" only.

Still deciding...

Bruce, I have the same GoFlight module that Nixon speaks of along with the Saitek Trim Wheel.In my personal opinion I perfer the Saitek for GA for a couple of reasons.First of all (because of my setup) I am able to have the Saitek at a more convenient/comfortable location that feels better.It sits next to my throttles and seems to be more natural.Second is the size of the wheel. The GoFlight is a very small wheel compared to the Saitek.The Saitek has it's faults. Now remember this may just be my setup with the devices I use.Most of the time when I start a flight, the trim wheel will not respond and is not recognize immediately by FSUIPC.This is easily fixed by opening the axis tab on FSUIPC, spinning the wheel, the clicking OK once recognized.This is never a problem with the GoFlight. It is very dependable and works every time without a second thought.The other fault with the Saitek is the Auto Pilot issue. See my review about this on Amazon.... http://www.amazon.co...24008279&sr=8-1This is not a problem with the GoFlight as it is a seamless transition coming off Auto Pilot.These are just my personal findings between the two.Even with the issues of the Saitek, I still prefer it because of the overall feel against that tiny wheel of the GoFlightHere's some pictures of my setup to help you better understand my situation as it may vary from yours.I'll reframe from calling it a "Sim Pit" so Dan doesn't dog me.

Awesome rig you have there, Jim.So- I read your comments and se the problem- and it's the same issue fundamentally as I was asking in the original post- what's the effect of the trim wheel on trim when using the AP.From what you say- the AP will ignore the trim wheel setting while it is engaged and proceed to electronically "trim" the aircraft- all the while of course, the trim wheel hardware is not moving so is fixed in it's pre-AP position. Once the AP is turned off, presumably FSX/FSUIPC senses where the stationary hardware trim wheel is set and instantly trims the aircraft to that position.It sounds almost like the issue with hardware throttles and auto-throttle, where when disengaging the AT will force the throttle setting back to the hardware throttle. PMDG overcame this nicely with the blue setting on the N1 gauge showing where the hardware throttle is set, so you have a chance to synchronize the hardware to the automated position before turning off the AT.The question might be for me- do I want to have the more realistic feel of the Saitek, or the hassles when coming off the AP.......Thanks for the informative posts, Jim and Nixon and others- food for thought...... Bruce.

both FSX and FSUIPC recognize the Saitek TW as an "Axis" only.

Do you want to try the other version of the script Jim?

presumably FSX/FSUIPC senses where the stationary hardware trim wheel is set and instantly trims the aircraft to that position.

No Bruce, it works just like the throttle, unless especifically programed to do that, once you switch off the AP the trim will remain where the AP left it until there's an input from the pilot.Actually I think (some one correct me if I'm wrong) that's how the real thing works

Thanks dazz, yes that's what I meant to say :)As far as the real thing, since the trim wheel spins through a geared electric motor similar but much more slowly than the NGX, while the AP is engaged, the trim wheel in the real thing is always at the correct position. Similar to how a real throttle lever is always at the correct position. I wonderif pausing the sim after the AP is disengaged, then moving the manual trim to get the trim indicator in the aircraft to read what it did while the AP was engaged before unpausing the sim would work?Thanks, Bruce