Antalya FS2004 Vector Approach Reposted from FS9 Forum

[meccadom 1]

Has anyone executed a successful ILS vectored approach and landing to this airport? I have tried 3 flights Istanbul-Antalya using RC4 to no avail. I receive instructions to prepare for vectors and then nothing afterward, I wind up about 30-40 miles over the sea.The ILS designators and frequencies in Navagraph conform to those in the Afcad. The entries in runways,txt are:

Airport LTAI :N36:54:00.9880 E030:47:34.0001 177ft

Country Name="Turkey"

State Name=""

City Name="Antalya"

Airport Name="Antalya"

in file: D:\FS2004\aerosoft\Antalya 2010\Antalya_SC\scenery\AFX_LTAI.BGL

Runway 18C/36C centre: N36:54:01.0204 E030:47:33.4530 177ft

Start 18C: N36:54:53.6612 E030:47:40.7191 177ft Hdg: 186.3T, Length 11160ft

Computed start 18C: Lat 36.915497 Long 30.794719

Start 36C: N36:53:08.7036 E030:47:26.3444 177ft Hdg: 6.3T, Length 11160ft

Computed start 36C: Lat 36.885071 Long 30.790532

Hdg: 186.278 true (MagVar 3.100), Asphalt, 11160 x 185 ft

Primary ILS ID = IATY

Primary ILS: IATY 108.70 Hdg: 186.3 , Flags: GS DME "ILS/DME 18C"

Secondary ILS ID = IAYT

Secondary ILS: IAYT 110.30 Hdg: 6.3 , Flags: GS DME BC "ILS/DME 36C"

*** Runway *** LTAI0183 Lat 36.915497 Long 30.794718 Alt 177 Hdg 183 Len 11160 Wid 185 ILS 108.70, Flags: GS DME

*** Runway *** LTAI0363 Lat 36.885071 Long 30.790533 Alt 177 Hdg 3 Len 11160 Wid 185 ILS 110.30, Flags: GS DME BC

Runway 18L/36R centre: N36:53:46.0542 E030:48:33.5547 177ft

Start 18L: N36:54:38.7598 E030:48:40.6953 177ft Hdg: 186.3T, Length 11160ft

Computed start 18L: Lat 36.911339 Long 30.811407

Start 36R: N36:52:52.9599 E030:48:26.2759 177ft Hdg: 6.3T, Length 11160ft

Computed start 36R: Lat 36.880913 Long 30.807234

Hdg: 186.260 true (MagVar 3.100), Asphalt, 11160 x 185 ft

Primary ILS ID = ILRA

Primary ILS: ILRA 109.75 Hdg: 186.3 "LOC 18L"

Secondary ILS ID = IALY

Secondary ILS: IALY 108.10 Hdg: 6.3 , Flags: GS DME "ILS/DME 36R"

*** Runway *** LTAI0181 Lat 36.911339 Long 30.811407 Alt 177 Hdg 183 Len 11160 Wid 185 ILS 109.75

*** Runway *** LTAI0362 Lat 36.880913 Long 30.807234 Alt 177 Hdg 3 Len 11160 Wid 185 ILS 108.10, Flags: GS DME

Runway 18R/36L centre: N36:54:08.0176 E030:47:26.0581 177ft

Runway 18R closed for landing and take-off

Runway 36L closed for landing and take-off

Hdg: 186.260 true (MagVar 3.100), Asphalt, 9950 x 190 ft

COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=122.05, Name="ANTALYA"

COM: Type=8 (APPROACH), Freq=128.30, Name="ANTALYA"

COM: Type=1 (ATIS), Freq=118.27, Name="LTAI"

COM: Type=5 (GROUND), Freq=121.90, Name="ANTALYA"

COM: Type=6 (TOWER), Freq=126.10, Name="ANTALYA"

I am using Aerosoft's AntalyaX for FS2004 with the modified AFX_LTAI.bgl by Billy Rutherford. Any help or insight is appreciated as this becoming increasingly frustrating. Thanks to all who responded in the FS9 forum and especially to Ronzie for his initial help. Dom

[jd 57]

make a log, instructions pinned to the top of the forumbe sure to click debug before loading your planalso, if you are arriving at an angle very close to the runway heading, i'm not going to vector you downwind, base and final. watch the rc menu, when the bearing to the runway is close to the runway heading, turn to the runway heading. then wait for the ils. make adjustments left and right as needed.

[ronzie 21]

Are you using auto-tune letting RC tune the comms? RC uses comm frequencies that fixed in its data table, not those in your scenery listing. These frequencies can be seen in the controller tab of RC when you set up your flight. Your ILS frequencies used are those from your scenery.If your arrival route is I think within twenty degrees of center line on each side then that is considered a straight in approach. What was your arrival direction and assigned runway.Were your STAR waypoints within the plan sent to RC?I also looked at this description:http://altstiffsim.blogspot.com/2010/12/holiday-destination.htmland it looks like this is a candidate for an IAP self navigation procedure in RC due to the steep approach described.

Edited February 19, 2012 by ronzie

[Tomaz Drnovsek 440]

I have FSX. I always use IAP at Antalya, ATC sends you out to the sea.. about 50NM if I remember correctly.

[ronzie 21]

Are you past LTAI when you are given the IAP? Once you get the IAP release you are on your own.I also generated a plan in that link from LOWW to LTAI which is an ESE general direction. In the auto-generated plan from FSBuild it included what appeared to be an on-field VOR which should be removed unless you are going to overfly it.FSX will accept the FS9 format so here it is:[flightplan]title=LOWW to LTAIdescription=LOWW, LTAItype=IFRroutetype=3cruising_altitude=35000departure_id=LOWW, N48* 06.37', E016* 34.10',+000600.00departure_position=34destination_id=LTAI, N36* 54.01', E030* 47.34',+000177.00departure_name=WIEN_SCHWECHATdestination_name=ANTALYAwaypoint.0=LOWW, A, N48* 06.37', E016* 34.10', +000000.00,waypoint.1=WW376, I, N48* 07.45', E016* 45.45', +000000.00,waypoint.2=ABLOM, I, N48* 04.03', E017* 05.15', +000000.00,waypoint.3=VAL, V, N44* 19.26', E019* 52.28', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.4=SOSEK, I, N43* 46.49', E020* 57.19', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.5=NIS, V, N43* 20.47', E021* 49.37', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.6=NISVA, I, N42* 58.22', E022* 47.50', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.7=DOTAM, I, N42* 21.24', E023* 24.25', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.8=OMENO, I, N42* 17.49', E023* 28.53', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.9=RODOP, I, N41* 34.59', E024* 10.59', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.10=IDILO, I, N40* 47.26', E025* 26.22', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.11=BELGI, I, N40* 30.00', E025* 53.00', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.12=CNK, V, N40* 08.09', E026* 25.40', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.13=SUDES, I, N39* 46.10', E026* 53.36', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.14=DUGLA, I, N39* 29.56', E027* 13.27', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.15=NILER, I, N39* 05.02', E027* 52.10', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.16=KULAR, I, N38* 34.55', E028* 37.58', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.17=BAGLU, I, N38* 04.15', E029* 19.31', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.18=CRD, V, N37* 47.22', E029* 42.15', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.19=SALDA, I, N37* 33.19', E030* 00.01', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.20=KOZLU, I, N37* 29.49', E030* 04.27', +000000.00, UN131waypoint.21=BRONZ, I, N37* 16.10', E030* 20.58', +000000.00,waypoint.22=D311T, I, N37* 09.21', E030* 29.58', +000000.00,waypoint.23=D311L, I, N37* 03.47', E030* 37.09', +000000.00,waypoint.24=D311J, I, N37* 02.22', E030* 38.57', +000000.00,waypoint.25=LTAI, A, N36* 54.01', E030* 47.34', +000000.00,This is without the arrival VOR.You can try that one if you wish.

[Ray Proudfoot 9,010]

There is high ground to the north of the airport therefore you should enable NOTAMS for LTAI. I would recommend you request an IAP approach and refer to charts for this airport to correctly fly the approach if landing on a southerly runway. I'm guessing you've purchased a 3rd party version so should have the charts.If landing on a northerly runway it's a much more straight-forward procedure but again, request the IAP when you contact Approach and fly it yourself. RC4 knows there is high ground near the airport but not the direction it lies in. Hence why you are given very long downwind leg to fly. I have experienced the same problem landing at GCTS in Tenerife.

[meccadom 1]

Thank you all for this discussion and to JD for the reply to my log submission. I will get his yet!!Dom