If the stick does not move , do not buy it !

 

The real F-16 was originally designed with a fixed stick that sensed pressure forces applied to it.

Pilots rejected the concept and the F-16 stick was changed to have movement.

 

Our minds and senses operate at several levels , and some levels are sub concious , basically it's getting a feedback on the stick position that represents a meaningful value relative to our intended input.

 

Do a google search for reviews of the products before you make your final choice , you are right to

agonize over your choice as the controllers are our primary interface with the aircraft.

 

Cheers

Karol

Well said!

I was totally surprised when I watched a youtube video about the X65F and discovered that the stick does not move....personally that's a big no no for me.

Hint: A-10C is not a fighter plane, it's a ground attack plane. The grip is from F-16, the throttle from F-15, but only half of it, the other half is from the old A-10A. And Hotas Warthog DOES NOT have any additional analog axes (rotaries) besides the wheel located at the throttle base, which is impossible to reach when you hold the throttle at the same time. So no convenient control for radar antenna elevation and gain in say, F-16.

You don't have to explain to me what HOTAS Warthog is, I have that thing on my desk.

 

But for the OP, none of the titles that he mentioned would benefit from additional axes on the throttle, because they are either simplified or does not include combat. For something more advanced, like Falcon 4.0, there are better choices than Warthog.I'm not bashing it, it a very good hardware and my primary stick, just not suitable for everything.

 

Sorry mate, but you are wrong, I know I have one and it is an A-10 replica made for DCS A-10 Warthog, and yes it does have a small mouse ball which is used to move the radar crosshairs around the cdu and lock the mavericks or in air to air mode, the sidewinders. You are thinking of the Thrustmaster Couger, which from what I have been told has the F16 Falcon Joystick. The warthog also has a detachable joystick and I beleive Thrustmaster intend to make the F16 stick available to swap over (Although I fly the F16 with no probs at all) The only downside as far as I'm concerned is it's price, which when I bought mine was $500....But worth every penny.

The "mouse ball" is a completely different story, it's for different purpose (as you've explained it is used to control target designator cursor) and has nothing to do with rotaries I'm talking. The real throttles on a fighter plane usually have both cursor control and rotating knobs, just look at the F-16 or F-22 throttle. Besides, this mouse ball is one of the things in the Thrustmaster that are not exactly accurate, because the real one is pressure sensitive and does not move, similarily to trackpoint on some laptops like IBM Thinkpad.

 

I've never said Hotas Warthog is not a A-10C stick replica, but you should read a bit more about the hardware you have Because the REAL A-10C has the stick taken from F-16 and right throttle from F-15. Of course the stick in the F-16 is pressure sensitive and A-10C has conventional controls, but the grip is identical, with a little exception that CMS HAT also works as pushbutton and there is no paddle switch, but Thrustmaster included it as an option for our convenience.

 

So by owning a HOTAS warthog, you already have F-16 stick (although it's not force sensing), and half of F-15 throttle

The "mouse ball" is a completely different story, it's for different purpose (as you've explained it is used to control target designator cursor) and has nothing to do with rotaries I'm talking. The real throttles on a fighter plane usually have both cursor control and rotating knobs, just look at the F-16 or F-22 throttle. Besides, this mouse ball is one of the things in the Thrustmaster that are not exactly accurate, because the real one is pressure sensitive and does not move, similarily to trackpoint on some laptops like IBM Thinkpad.

 

I've never said Hotas Warthog is not a A-10C stick replica, but you should read a bit more about the hardware you have Because the REAL A-10C has the stick taken from F-16 and right throttle from F-15. Of course the stick in the F-16 is pressure sensitive and A-10C has conventional controls, but the grip is identical, with a little exception that CMS HAT also works as pushbutton and there is no paddle switch, but Thrustmaster included it as an option for our convenience.

 

So by owning a HOTAS warthog, you already have F-16 stick (although it's not force sensing), and half of F-15 throttle

 

When I hear that the HOTAS Warthog is used by such professional people such as the virtual thunderbirds and red arrows, im tempted to choose it. Is it better? Like in accuracy. Is it better for flying in your opinion.

Yes, Warthog is very precise and movement is smooth in all directions. But it requires some maintenance (greasing) from time to time to keep it that way.

As for the x65f, I've used it briefly, so can't comment much on the accuracy. It surely allows precise control of the plane and sensitivity can be tuned to your liking or even changed on the fly by pressing one button, but the thing needs to get used to. It may be a matter of personal preference.

http://www.simhq.com...ology_174a.html

 

Thank you once again. I again read through this review and it is kind of obvious that the HOTAS Warthog is better and more accurate. I will probably buy it tomorrow.

OK. Just got my HOTAS Warthog and I am REALLY happy with my choice! It's amazing! Thank you all for your advice!