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Service Based Failures

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that in itself is not realistic though, and not how line pilots practice to handle emergencies, that's my only point

 

But it is realistic, and it isn't being done to "practice to handle emergencies", that can be done by setting failures directly. It's being done to represent a realistic virtual aircraft. In a real airline, after the pilot flies a specific aircraft, it doesn't just sit there waiting for his next shift, it'll be flown a good 2-4 more times before the pilot gets to it again for their next shift.

 

Therefore, it's a very realistic way to simulate the increased rate of wear on an aircraft that is being flown by others in addition to the FSX user. We aren't trying to "get failures" so much as actually encounter them at the realistic frequency an actual pilot on the job would. Sure, we all realize it is infrequent IRL, but it is more frequent than the 1x service based failures setting would cause based on FSX usage time alone.

Brandon Hathaway

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United Virtual Airlines

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I understand, my point being even real

Airline pilots very very rarely see malfunctions.

 

-Matt Chase

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Well if you take into account glitches, MEL items, start issues, spurious warnings etc etc... I can tell you it is pretty common indeed. A malfunction obviously doesn't necessarily have to be a full blown engine failure or dual hydraulic fault.

 

Back when I used to jump seat on regular basis the majority of flights had some form of glitch. That was on well maintained A330/340's and 767's

 

PMDG failure options cover a broad spectrum of potential issues.

Rob Prest

 

I agree that's what you're going to see 99% of the time, a faulty relay in a bus or something along those lines and I know PMDG does cover this spectrum and that's what I'd expect to see, I'm just saying it must be a hard balance for them to try to accelerate things that aren't that common, because I think you know most minor glitches are typically handled by an airplane system and the procedures are typically just to ensure it was handled the right way.

 

We do a lot of slow developing malfunctions where a generator out light (benign) is actually an indication that the gearbox is coming apart so there is validity to troubleshooting procedures, but my experience is the same as you, normally small glitches we write up and move on.

 

I am not discounting the expectation to handle emergencies, I was just curious from other simmers why they want to see them so frequently, but you raised a great point talking about glitches and small malfunctions.

 

-Matthew Chase

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This web site disagrees with you entirely.

 

http://avherald.com/

 

The request is in our tracking system but my guess would be that it won't make the initial release (assuming it's even feasible at all), sorry. Major things don't fail very often on modern jets like these - just a fact.

Kris Greenough

  • Commercial Member

This web site disagrees with you entirely.

 

http://avherald.com/

 

This topic is over a year old :)  Anyway it seems you are missing the point. Avherald list's incidents across nearly every aircraft flying today.  Of course you will see reports of engine failures and other 'newsworthy' incidents.

 

If you focus on a particular aircraft or fleet within an airline you will see that failures are mostly just small glitches on a day to day basis.  

 

Let's put it another way, if you bought a brand new Mercedes and drove it for a few years you will likely only ever see minor glitches. Now if you asked Mercedes to release a report on all hundred thousand + vehicles in use you will obviously have a bunch of cars that have experienced serious fault's,engine,electrical issues.  

 

It's just a numbers game, the chance of experiencing a major failure is very small...

Rob Prest

 

Had I think a spurious HYD DEM Press L+R while taxiing, no "fault" light on overhead like I forgot to flip a switch, went away after a few secs, I put it down to the windy day at LFPG :)

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Does anyone know if the pmdg failure rate time accrual only work on 1 single livery or does it accumulate fleet wide?  If I fly the delta livery does it accrue time just the same as a united one?  Just curious.

Kris Greenough

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Does anyone know if the pmdg failure rate time accrual only work on 1 single livery or does it accumulate fleet wide?  If I fly the delta livery does it accrue time just the same as a united one?  Just curious.

 

It works on each tail number separately.  So if you have 3 Delta aircraft & 3 United aircraft they will each 'age' and develop faults separately, it will  depend on how many hours they accumulate and how you maintain them. 

Rob Prest

 

That's fascinating that they can do that, but at the same time I like flying different liveries.  Would be nice if the girls could age together ;)

Kris Greenough

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