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I just killed a joystick, BUT!

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I am really enjoying having done so :-)

 

Well, it all started last week when my Saitk X52 got completely mad. I couldn't fly with it, so, I picked an old Cyborg X, and started using it with the X52 Pro TQ, which remained working...

 

Now, that Cyborg as a very stiff spring, and I hate flying with such a strong force being required for the slightest control inputs :-(

 

Then, since saturday is usually one of my uninstall days of the week, I decided to ellect the spring as an uninstall candidate...

 

I could have tried to break it, making it shorter, but I didn't have the tools at home, and it's a really bad day outside...

 

So,,,, I dismantled the stick, took that awful spring out and..... Whow!

 

Flying X-plane 10, and IL2 is Battle of Stalingrad is now  a charm!!!! Torque Bug???? What is that?  It's all soooo soft, so easy, specially in the helos ....

 

The only problem is when I have to let it by itself... If the AP is ON and it falls, AP disconnects, so, I found a way to block it in the upside position while I hav to deal with other controls and the aircraft is under AP.

 

Guys, get your springs out!  But then don't came back after me....

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I did tried it about 18 months ago... but fail to take out the spring! When I try to put it back together I snapped most internal wires and still sitting in the junk storage.  :rolleyes:

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I actually snapped one yellow wire :-/

 

Well, it only affecred a pair of buttons I seldom used, so, no problem so far :-)

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The only problem is when I have to let it by itself... If the AP is ON and it falls, AP disconnects, so, I found a way to block it in the upside position while I hav to deal with other controls and the aircraft is under AP.

 

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The "centering" spring in my Saitek X45 was to stiff for my liking. I shortened it. I feel that the lighter spring in my Saitek X52 is about right. I do NOT like removing the spring altogether. IMO, it's only good for "hovering" helicopters. Even a helicopter in cruise will feel much stable like an airplane. I did get to fly a four place turbine helicopter for about a half hour in cruise flight. I already knew what to expect from flying RC helicopters.

 

 

To me, no spring just feels wrong. There is a natural centering force in a well rigged and trimmed airplane. A plane just doesn't feel like a sloppy stick, that's ready to fall over. It's that bit of spring force, that creates a trimmed illusion in my mind. Tried the "no" spring, and didn't like it.

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I now agree, but too late :-/

 

Anyway this Cyborg has other problems, the X52 is completely mad, and out of guarantee, so, I'll have to find another solution when ready to spend some $$$ on a joystick... The X55 is about to be released, I believe?

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I use my MS FFB2 stick without the forces. It's essentially no springed stick. I prefer it that way it's how the warrior I used to fly felt.

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Though not in production anymore, but therefore to be found as a bargain quite often, Logitech's G940 is the stick of choice for me. With the included software you can map your buttons and adjust things like centering force to your liking. I use this stick with the superb FS Force in FSX, in XPX I have only set up the Saitek yoke right now. I hope it will be possible to set up two different controllers within X Plane some day.

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I hope it will be possible to set up two different controllers within X Plane some day.

 

You are a lucky man - "some day" ist today - and even before. I have currently 3 controllers (Saitek Yoke, Thrustmaster T16000M and another older Thrustmaster joystick). Very easy to setup, easier than in FSX.

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And until a few days ago I was using the X52Pro, the Cyborg and the Saitek rudder pedals, with the Cyborg X being used basically for additional buttons and the prop and mixture axis, and the head, which is detachable, taken out... :-)

 

I also always found X-Plane's definition of buttons and axis, and even detailled functions, a lot easier than the menus in FSX, DCS, etc...

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Really? And when I plug in the stick and map all the Buttons and axis, will XPX remember the Settings for the Saitek yoke?

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Really? And when I plug in the stick and map all the Buttons and axis, will XPX remember the Settings for the Saitek yoke?

 

Of course. And you should download X-Assign to save a lot of assignments (e.g. joysticks) per aircraft. Very handy if you often change between planes and helicopters. And ... for realistic simulation, you can use a joystick for roll and pitch in smaller aircrafts (e.g. gliders) and the yoke for roll and pitch in airliners.

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Yeah, jcomm, the Cyborg X's spring tension is definitely a bother, especially when landing. I've taken mine apart before to fix the Z-axis (unsuccessfully) but couldn't figure out how to remove that darned spring. Rather than remove it, I'd like to try shortening it first with a trusty set of wire snips. What do I need to do to remove the spring?

 

APUtech

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What do I need to do to remove the spring?

 

In my case ?  I do not recommend ... Using brute force :-/.... My hand still hurts .... :-)

 

I should, instead, do what you plan to do - get proper ( iron ) wire snips, and cut it...

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I've seen plastic wire ties as a method of shortening the springs. Just compress a few, and cinch it up.

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In my case ? I do not recommend ... Using brute force :-/.... My hand still hurts .... :-)


 

D'oh! :O


I've seen plastic wire ties as a method of shortening the springs. Just compress a few, and cinch it up.

 

You know, I thought of trying that; seems like it might work, maybe cinching up two coils...hm...

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Well, I got my wire snips out and was about to "do the deed" when it occurred to me that I'd seen some narrow, 3" zip-ties on the patio. I got 3 of 'em and cinched up 2 springs in three places. Hot DOWG! With the exception of that squirrely (and no longer used) z-axis, my Cyborg-X feels like a new joystick! Man, it's smoooooth! No more jerky movements to compensate for the high spring tension, no more pushing forward and having the tail of the stick lift. Looks like I'm not getting any sleep tonight, folks--I'm gonna be flying, man!

 

Sheez Louise, why didn't I do this sooner, duuuhhhhh...!

 

Thanks for the suggestions, guys! :yahoo:

 

APUtech

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Larry!  You Zipped his Cyborg, and I should have Zipped mine :-(

 

Next time I will not forget!!!

 

:biggrin:

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That means, when the axis currently assigned to my yoke and a few Buttons on the throttle set up for gear, flaps, etc., I can simply unplug the yoke, plug the stick in, assign everything as needed and then I am able to switch between these both as needed and all the settings are rembered?

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Sorry for asking again, but am I correct with my assumption written above? Will it work that way? Thanks in advance foryour help!

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Hmmmm, I don't think you can do this unless you use the plugin mentioned by uwespeed... ?

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That means, when the axis currently assigned to my yoke and a few Buttons on the throttle set up for gear, flaps, etc., I can simply unplug the yoke, plug the stick in, assign everything as needed and then I am able to switch between these both as needed and all the settings are rembered?

 

I don't think it will work THIS way (unplugging the one and plugging in the other into the same USB port). But why not trying yourself? :lol:

You have to plug in both (or even more) controllers each into a separate USB port - at least that's the way I have done it.

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I don't think it will work THIS way (unplugging the one and plugging in the other into the same USB port). But why not trying yourself? :lol:

You have to plug in both (or even more) controllers each into a separate USB port - at least that's the way I have done it.

 

Ah, ok! I'll try it later with both controllers being connected. And XPX will allow me to assign, let's say the aileron axis, to both controllers?

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And XPX will allow me to assign, let's say the aileron axis, to both controllers?

 

No, not at the same time, but even better. Read below ...

 

You can't have e.g. roll assigned to the yoke and to the joystick at the same time. But that's where X-Assign jumps in. You can save up to 3 global settings and up to 3 settings per aircraft (actually 1 setting per aircraft is just fine for me, but you never know what others want :P)

 

I did it this way:

1st global setting for planes with yokes (roll and pitch axis on the yoke, pedals for yaw, throttle by forward movement of the appropriate axis, ...)

2nd global setting for planes with sticks (roll and pitch axis on the stick, pedals for yaw, throttle by forward movement of the appropriate axis, ...)

3rd global setting helos (roll and pitch axis on the stick, pedals for yaw, collective for "throttle" reversed compared to planes, ....)

 

Then saving e.g. the 3rd global setting for every helo ONCE as set 1 for this helo, 1st global setting for each plane with yoke ONCE as set 1 for this plane etc.

 

But X-Assign doesn't save only the axis but also the buttons, field of view, .... I.e. you can e.g. save the 1st global setting for each plane with yoke ONCE (and if you like) alter some buttons, field of view, ... save it again ONCE as set 1 for this particular aircraft so that every aircraft has its individual assignment.

 

Hope this helps ...

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