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Bought a 4k screen for Prepar3d...

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I just bought a 4k screen and since i couldnt find anyone using 4k yet for Prepar3d, so i wanted to share.

 

What do you guys think? No more zooming and using 2d panels etc, always max zoomed out :)

 

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I have one, a 39 inch SEIKI

 

It behaves more just like a crisp highly focused 1080p

 

I was hoping for an extended view but that I get more of that type in eyefinity from my 3 DELLS in portrait

 

When I am in 3840 x 2160 I also run on the side a DELL 24" for the addon UIs and there is little if any performance loss. I do have 4GB VRAM though that is important, you need at least 3 otherwise there will be compromises in performance with an Ultra  even with a 780.

 

Thats why I bought an ATI R9 290

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Hello fruitloop what resolution does it run, i have a gtx 780 3 gig and i am hoping to run 1 monitor at max res using a 4k monitor without any performance loss, currently using lcd tv and 1920 by 1080

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Hello fruitloop what resolution does it run, i have a gtx 780 3 gig and i am hoping to run 1 monitor at max res using a 4k monitor without any performance loss, currently using lcd tv and 1920 by 1080

 

Hi!

3840x2160 60hz on an ATI R9 290X.

​I don't think you will be disappointed with a modern 4k monitor.

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Hi!

3840x2160 60hz on an ATI R9 290X.

​I don't think you will be disappointed with a modern 4k monitor.

After watching that video - I agree.

Sweet !!!!

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Do you find that resolution makes things too small than compared to 1920 by 1080 or is just much clearer i worry that it will be to zmall for my eyes, 1920 is fine

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it is much sharper but almost the same real estate

 

or at least i see it that way

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What size and brand suffice to say your very happy, i only have a 3 gig 780 gtx wonder if i would suffer any performance loss as i run a second screen for other addins

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I often find GPU-Z reporting 3600MB and occasionally 4066MB on my 4G card. That is one Ultra-HD and one DELL 24" run concurrently

 

So a 3G card even a 780 Ti  would probably have little pauses, a little "excuse me while I rearrange the overflowing mail box of incoming mail"

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May just stick with 1920 res if its going to hurt performance moving to a 4k

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To be honest I went back to my 1920 x 1200 just now and am getting up to twice the fps , sometimes 200% more in clouds

 

So there is a price to pay for larger real estate as is everywhere...

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Interesting thread, I almost picked up a Sony 55" 4K 120Hz monitor ($2200) tonight to replace my current 3 monitor setup ... having a no Tax sale at Fry's Electronics.

 

I currently run just one 2560 x 1600 for main display in P3D V2.3 ... but 3840 x 2160 should mean I don't have to run as high an AA ... LG also make a 49" 4K 120Hz for $1500.

 

Thanks for sharing, would love to get more details on how it's working in P3D

 

1.  Any issues with motion blur on rapid pans (pixel refresh too slow causes this)?

2.  Any issues with flicker?

3.  How much of an FPS hit did it induce?

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Hey Rob

 

I currently run a LCD TV at 1920@1080 P3D V2.3 sandy bridge 2600K 16 GIGS Ram GTX780 want to upgrade to a monitor with 2560@1600 like you have just wondering what kind of performance penalty I may have going up to that res, I have a second monitor running at 1650 connected also, cheers

 

Wayne

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I would not spend 2200 on an ultra

 

I bought a cheap SEIKI for 700 and it works just fine except it has a low refresh rate

 

It will reduce fps but the other things you mentioned are not that noticeable to me

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Hey Rob

 

I currently run a LCD TV at 1920@1080 P3D V2.3 sandy bridge 2600K 16 GIGS Ram GTX780 want to upgrade to a monitor with 2560@1600 like you have just wondering what kind of performance penalty I may have going up to that res, I have a second monitor running at 1650 connected also, cheers

 

Wayne

 

Hi Wayne,

 

1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

2560 x 1600 = 4,096,000 pixels

3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels

 

As you can see the pixel count is doubled with each increase ... pixel count defines how hard one's GPU is going to have to work.  Where pixel count starts to really load up a GPU is with particle systems and/or alpha ... SGSS AA will also do it, but that loads up any system at just about any resolution.  It doesn't necessarily mean you'll see a 50% drop in FPS per each incremental upgrade ... lots of factors involved.

 

Sorry, I don't have a definitive answer but on my setup here I saw about a 20% difference in FPS from 1920 x 1080 to 2560 x 1600 ... but again settings, AA, texture sizes, VRAM, the scene will impact differently.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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This thread motivated me to go out and get a 4K monitor, settled on the Sony 49".

 

I can confirm a 20% drop in FPS going from 2560 x 1600 to 3840 x 2160.

 

Here are some quick screen shots ... (sorry, I currently have no way to record at 3840 x 2160):

 

WARNING: Very large images (3840 x 2160)

http://robainscough.com/images/ad3240db756f75a11ec07e896bcfb083.jpg

 

http://robainscough.com/images/ff872f70d835a883e9c4d25859790b93.jpg

 

http://robainscough.com/images/81ae86e8f545b4d23d23080e518dcfac.jpg

 

http://robainscough.com/images/e924b9333528c9b315c4af5bb349644a.jpg

 

http://robainscough.com/images/928fa6238ed8928f2191518c69f21321.jpg

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Interesting thread, I almost picked up a Sony 55" 4K 120Hz monitor ($2200) tonight to replace my current 3 monitor setup ... having a no Tax sale at Fry's Electronics.

 

I currently run just one 2560 x 1600 for main display in P3D V2.3 ... but 3840 x 2160 should mean I don't have to run as high an AA ... LG also make a 49" 4K 120Hz for $1500.

 

Thanks for sharing, would love to get more details on how it's working in P3D

 

1.  Any issues with motion blur on rapid pans (pixel refresh too slow causes this)?

2.  Any issues with flicker?

3.  How much of an FPS hit did it induce?

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

1. Nothing i have seen yet. My old screen was specified to 25ms and this one is 1ms so I'm going to test it with BF4 later.

2. No problems at all with flicker. I have also read that some people have this problem though. Don't remember if it was the screen or the GPU that was the cause of it. 

3. a little bit, not enough for me to lower the resolution.

F-22 with all ORBX stuff and settings almost maxed out i am in the 30fps+ range (up to 70). 

 

If you buy the 55" Sony , please share your thoughts later!

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If you buy the 55" Sony , please share your thoughts later!

 

I ended up getting the Sony XBR 49X850B ... very happy with it.  The only downside is that Sony provide HDMI 2.0 ports but my Titan Blacks have HDMI 1.4a ports ... so basically this means the Titans can only operate 4K at 30Hz.  My Sony will work at 30Hz without issues, but I'd rather have 60Hz or 120Hz which the Sony also supports.  nVidia unfortunately have no plans to put in HDMI 2.0 ports ... but "I think" the Display port on the nVidia will support 60Hz 4K ... so I guess I'll have to see if there is a Display Port to HDMI 2.0 dongle I can use to get 60Hz.

 

It still looks amazing even at 30Hz, no flicker, no ghosting at all and I suppose it maybe a blessing in disguise to operate at 30Hz since it's much easier to sustain 30 fps in P3D.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I've been flying a lot with this 30Hz 4K and I never had a problem

 

At that high a res, you get less fps anyways, but sometimes I'm seeing 45, 55, and this is meaningless since it cannot go beyond 30

 

I recently added a 3168 x 1782 modified res which significantly increased my poorer occurrences of fps but causes a little bit of fuzziness around fonts

 

I don't know about the SONY but I have to keep an eye on the refresh rate when I switch between 1080p and 4K cause it sometimes goes to 23 Hz, a terrible rate for anything. I simply revert to 30

 

Movies are not as good at 30 than at 60 so since your only getting 1080p anywhere you get a movie, I always watch them at the movie-native res of 1080p, hence 60Hz

 

But P3D is majestic at 4K

And it makes for a great big monitor for reading, spreadsheets, etc...especially a C++ editor

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Agree that this is the year for 4K ... prices are dropping drastically and the image quality is simply amazing.  To consider that three 4K monitors is actually doable and flyable with 3 Titans for < $7K is going really make flight simulation a grand experience ... the edge bezel's are tiny too so it would not be distracting for 3 monitor 4K setup an eye popping effective resolution of  11520 x 2160.

 

I don't have an issue with 30Hz either, but I'm looking for a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 converter ... apparently they exists but I'm not so sure they can do 60Hz.  I'll continue searching.

 

My other option is to return the Sony but I'm not finding any other TV/Monitor in this size range that has a DisplayPort, they're all HDMI 2.0.  The HDMI 2.0 cable I'm using is good upto to 27.0 GB/sec ... DisplayPort doesn't appear to be a spec being adopted by several of the major 4K TV/monitor brands so not exactly sure what nVidia were thinking with DisplayPort and only HDMI 1.4a.  Rumor has it the next Gen nVidia cards will be HDMI 2.0 compliant.


Quick update on the 30Hz/60Hz ... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-kepler-4k-hdmi-1.4,27117.html

 

It appears nVidia 340.52 drivers do support 60Hz over the HDMI 1.4 port (with some exceptions which may be a show stopper for some) ... but sadly as we all know, the 340.52 drivers don't work in P3D with tess enabled.

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Quick update on the 30Hz/60Hz ... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-kepler-4k-hdmi-1.4,27117.html

 

It appears nVidia 340.52 drivers do support 60Hz over the HDMI 1.4 port (with some exceptions which may be a show stopper for some) ... but sadly as we all know, the 340.52 drivers don't work in P3D with tess enabled.

 

That only reduces color quality to 25% of full real U-HD

 

And you would not want that in P3D

 

Sort of a black and white almost

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That only reduces color quality to 25% of full real U-HD

 

Haven't tried it yet so I don't know how good or bad it would look.

 

My search for a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter has come up short ... there are plenty available but NONE support 4K at 60Hz.

 

 

 


Do you feel less of a need for high AA now?

 

Yes ... I no longer need FXAA nor SGSS AA.  With a smaller display than what I'm using (aka smaller pixel pitch) you could get 2X AA to look great.  I'm still experimenting since 4K is a new adventure for me.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Rob, 

 

Thanks for the pictures of your setup. I'm just about to pull the trigger on a samsung 55" UHD with a curved display for my computer (especially for my P3D2 adventures :) . The setup looks reassuringly good, I'll try to return the favor with pics once it's setup. I have been simming since 86 when flight simulator came out for my Atari 800. Boy have things come a long way.

 

regards

 

Jon

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....    I have been simming since 86 when flight simulator came out for my Atari 800. Boy have things come a long way.

 

regards

 

Jon

 

 

Those prop sounds from your ATARI, were they not "convincing" at the time?  :lol:  Like a one piston bicycle for a chipmunk

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