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VoxATC Echanced UK add-on, any good?

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I posted in another thread but got no reply so decided to start a thread with the question in the title.  Is the VoxATC Echanced (enhanced maybe) UK add-on worth £29.99.  It reports to be in line with CAP413 and UK voice procedure which appeals to me a lot.  However, there are no reviews on the UK distributer's website (RCsimulations.co.uk) and as yet I have not manage to find anybody that has it.  Question is simply, does anybody have it, of so is it any good and how so.

 

I really want this to be really good.  Any info anybody?

 

Ian

 

 

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I have been using VOXatc with the UK add on for a few years.

I found it very useful for radio practice whilst doing my PPL 3 years ok.

I don't use the expert mode (no text prompts) as the position reports are extremely prescriptive.

 

I use it with the Horizon/UK2000 scenery and airfields. One thing I found was that some of the radio & ATIS frequencies and circuit (left or right hand) are incorrect. This is not the fault of VOXatc, it is the scenery that is incorrect. VOXatc uses this for its information. I found an editor AFX that enables circuit directions and frequencies to be edited.

I have recently migrated to FSX-SE and my first circuits with VOXatc were all ok.

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I am pretty much in the same boat,  doing PPL and Vox ATC is really good training tool but  wondering if the extra £29 quid is worth it.  How different is the UK add on?  I know it says it does MATZ etc but does FSX even know where the MATZ are?

 

Ian

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FSX doesn't know where the MATZs are, I use Plan G for flight planning which does have SOME MATZ (Benson zone is not there). It's up to you to request MATZ penetration/transit through VOXatc. So it is purely procedural.

I don't recall the UK specific differencies, I'll check and post tomorrow.

 

Roger

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I have created a scenery addon that replaces all the UK airspace and updates it to current specifications, including MATZs :)

www.flightsimscenery.blogspot.com

also available through cixvfrclub

 

The vox uk aenhancement is an absolute must have IMHO if you are trying to fly properly in the UK

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Hi Kevin,

 

Thanks for the link, it looks good, i'll give it a try.

 

Ian. There is a 44 page document covering the UK enhancements, which includes an example VFR flight and an IFR flight.

The VFR flight from Plymouth to Kemble and includes a MATZ penetration and a Danger Area Crossing service for D012.

It also covers Emergencies, Urgencies (Pan Pan Pan) and LARS. The big advantage is you "speak with ATC" not just select an option on a menu. For me, this makes the whole experience much more immersive and not just a game.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Roger

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Thanks Kevin, I'll give that a good looking into.

 

Roger, where is the 44 page manual? I can only find the normal one, not one covering the UK enhancements

 

Thanks

 

Ian

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Kevin,

 

A slight aside after seeing your link,  and as a Jerseyman living on the mainland, has your Jersey project ever gone puplic?  Watched the video link and 'I can see my house from there' came to mind.

 

Ian


The manual is on the installation disc

Ah, not that I know much about marketing but I would have thought getting information about your product out to the public was a fairly fundamental issue.  I have been scrabbling around for weeks looking for info on this product.  Hence this post.  I have found a fairly uniformative video and one paragraph on the RC Simulation website.  Not exactly the hard sell.

 

Ian

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I have created a scenery addon that replaces all the UK airspace and updates it to current specifications, including MATZs :)

www.flightsimscenery.blogspot.com

also available through cixvfrclub

 

The vox uk aenhancement is an absolute must have IMHO if you are trying to fly properly in the UK

Kevin,

 

Have tried to load this but hit a snag.  the files in the read me do not match the ones in the folder (BNXWorld1_amended.BGL rather than BNXWorld1.BGL and ENR5.1 Danger Areas.BGL which isn't mentioned).  I have tried a couple of options like just removing '_amended' but get an error of 'area 135 missing in Addon Scenery Folder' when the scenery loads.  Any thoughts?

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Bnxworld01 is meant to replace the default file in scenery/world/scenery

The new file of mine simply has all the uk default airspace removed from it

Just rename the original default file with a .OFF file extension or something similar

Then place the new file in an active scenery folder

 

The other files are all named according to their corresponding sections in the uk eAIP

Hence ENR5.1 danger areas

They are all separated out for a) ease of maintenance and b) so users can choose to only use those specific parts of the AIP if they choose to do so

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Bnxworld01 is meant to replace the default file in scenery/world/scenery

The new file of mine simply has all the uk default airspace removed from it

Just rename the original default file with a .OFF file extension or something similar

Then place the new file in an active scenery folder

 

The other files are all named according to their corresponding sections in the uk eAIP

Hence ENR5.1 danger areas

They are all separated out for a) ease of maintenance and B) so users can choose to only use those specific parts of the AIP if they choose to do so

I am probably being dumb but there is no Bnxworld01 in your file, only Bnxworld01_ammended.bgl which I have shortened to Bnxworld01.bgl.  Where does ENR5.1 danger areas go?  It looks the similar to the files in the UK Air space folder.

 

Ian

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BNX...amended is the same as the default BNX file but without the default uk airspace definitions. It has the 'amended' suffix simply to enable it to be easily distinguished :)

All other bgls can go in any active scenery folder.

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Kevin

 

Firstly, thanks for work you have done on creating this airspace.

 

I too am confused. The zip file contains the following:

BNXWorld0_amended.BGL

BNXWorld1_amended.BGL

ENR5.1 Danger Areas.BGL

ENR5.1 Prohibited and Restricted Areas.BGL

Readme file

Change log + 2 pictures

UK Airspace Boundaries Folder

 

Your post above says that the amended are the same as the default? should there be a couple of other bgl files?

 

Roger

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I said its the same, apart from having the default uk airspace definitions removed :)

 

I recommend putting the best x..amended files in ghe same folder as the default ones (sim default folder/scenery/world/scenery) and renaming the default file suffixes to something other than.bgl so the sim doesnt attempt to load them :)

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That is just repeating what you said in the read me text and it still doesn’t make sense.  I have got it working now but not by exactly your method. 

 

1.   I have changed the BNXWorld0.BGL to BNXWorld0.BGL.orig  (as you instructed) to stop it being used and changed BNXWorld0_amended.BGL to BNXWorld0.BGL  (and BNXWorld1_amended.BGL obviously).  When you start up FSX now the whole of UK airspace is missing which I assume is the point of the exercise at this point. 

2.   I put the UK Airspace Boundaries Folder in addon Scenery folder and activated it but couldn’t get it to show in FSX or Plan G. 

3.   However, when I put the ENR5.1 Danger Areas.BGL and ENR5.1 Prohibited and Restricted Areas.BGL in ‘any active folder’ as you advised (actually the world/scenery folder along with BNXWorld0.BGL etc) Plan G picked them up.

4.    So…..next I made a copy of the world/scenery folder for safety sake and then dropped the contents of UK Airspace Boundaries Folder in world/scenery folder and hey presto.  Plan G shows all the UK airspace boundaries (MATZ et al) and FSX shows the ICOA and regional boundaries in the flight planning, but not danger areas and MATZ (I assume FSX does not understand them).

Next I flew with VOXATC and it seem to recognize what was going on and all OK.

Brilliant work Kevin.

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1. It doesnt matter actually what the file is called :) you could call it burptrump.bgl and it would still work :P

2. You may have made a schoolboy error with scenery folders then somewhere, it does work I assure you :)

3&4. Proves (2) as they then worked!

 

Accurate airspace is fundamental to proper working of both default and addon ATC

Note though that the lower airways etc do not yet all have accurate comms frequencies assigned, but ultimately they will do and ATC will work even better then :)

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That is just repeating what you said in the read me text and it still doesn’t make sense.  I have got it working now but not by exactly your method. 

 

1.   I have changed the BNXWorld0.BGL to BNXWorld0.BGL.orig  (as you instructed) to stop it being used and changed BNXWorld0_amended.BGL to BNXWorld0.BGL  (and BNXWorld1_amended.BGL obviously).  When you start up FSX now the whole of UK airspace is missing which I assume is the point of the exercise at this point. 

2.   I put the UK Airspace Boundaries Folder in addon Scenery folder and activated it but couldn’t get it to show in FSX or Plan G. 

3.   However, when I put the ENR5.1 Danger Areas.BGL and ENR5.1 Prohibited and Restricted Areas.BGL in ‘any active folder’ as you advised (actually the world/scenery folder along with BNXWorld0.BGL etc) Plan G picked them up.

4.    So…..next I made a copy of the world/scenery folder for safety sake and then dropped the contents of UK Airspace Boundaries Folder in world/scenery folder and hey presto.  Plan G shows all the UK airspace boundaries (MATZ et al) and FSX shows the ICOA and regional boundaries in the flight planning, but not danger areas and MATZ (I assume FSX does not understand them).

Next I flew with VOXATC and it seem to recognize what was going on and all OK.

Brilliant work Kevin.

Thanks Ian,

I did steps 1 & 2 same as you and did not show up in Plan G.

I'll follow 3 & 4. And that should fix it.

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Dont want to be rude but its worked just fine for me. There really must be something wrong in the scenery folder setup for the airspace not to be visible in an active scenery folder, but ok when in world scenery etc.

 

World scenery folder simply takes priority thats all.

 

Suggest you ensure scenery folder is titled correctly and active.

Also ensure PlanG is set to actually scan the folder you placed it in!

Can also place the BNX files in the same folder as the rest of the scenery, just not recommended

 

Sorry for your difficulties but theres little more I can say, it does work for me and many others...

Cheers K

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