I see that the FMS module for the MDMax MD80 has been released. Not only that, but it boasts compatibility with JCA MD80's which are also included in the full version. Even though I got the F1 Super 80 a few days ago (mind you, this is quite reminiscent of last year, when LAGO and MDMax MD's were released within a couple of days), an EFIS/FMS version still sounds tempting to me. But 60 euros for the full package?? :-eekMiltos

I have been going back and forth trying to figure out which one to buy, I am hoping one of them is of Level-D quality. (level-d spoiled me) :)Paul C.

From what I understand, MDMax does not include a VC... to me this is no go as I only fly from the 3D environment. I plan on getting the Flight1 product.RegardsJohn

>I see that the FMS module for the MDMax MD80 has been>released. Not only that, but it boasts compatibility with JCA>MD80's which are also included in the full version. Even>though I got the F1 Super 80 a few days ago (mind you, this is>quite reminiscent of last year, when LAGO and MDMax MD's were>released within a couple of days), an EFIS/FMS version still>sounds tempting to me. But 60 euros for the full>package?? :-eek>>>>MiltosI bought the full package yesterday and I am very satisfied. The systems are incredible. Mind you, I dont care about things like eye candies. That said, JCA is exterior model and it looks pretty nice to me.Manuals are excellent as are the systems. Due to my fault I managed to ruin the engine during the startup :-badteeth Some drawbacks:- lack of extensive SID/STAR database, but since it just came out it is filling up quite well and is very userfriendly for editing.- some minor bugs (DH in 50ft increments, bad sound for voice calls, etc.)- PFD and EHSI graphicwise is not on par with e.g. LD767 but systems are well done.All in all I am satisfied and if you are up for systems and not eyecandy I would say go for it.Back to reading manuals, since I forgot that I need to have AUX pump ON to lift up stairs and I almost reported it as bug :-badteeth Have a nice flight!Aleksandar

Thanks Aleksandar for the initial infomation, looking forward to other feedback on both products, looks like you cant go wrong with either one!Paul C

Flight1 Maddog doesn't have a FMC. But that's fine with me, lots of others have so I can get that experience elsewhwere :). The Flight1 has another kind of flight management and nav system that I've not seen before. Haven't tried it yet, but anyhow I think that is more interresting than just another FMC.The VC is a cool place to be! For some reason they have managed to make the relative sizes work very well (19' TFT). At 75% zoom and the view pushed just a tad back the gauges look quite large, and I still have a good overview and readability. In other aircrafts I either end up too close to the panel or the gauges looks small.The learning system is also a nice thing for an amateur like me, instead of entering an aircraft where you have to be an expert to even get it started, you can actually learn something here without RTFM. That's nice :).Also I liked the behaviour of this aircraft. I'm not an expert, but the flight model feels good, and it follows AP in a smooth way.On top of that, it looks good too. Here are some shots from my first flight:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...19196&mode=fullEagle

60 Euros for a panel? You gotta be kidding. This entire price spiral is getting out of control. Seriously.I don't want to flame anyone and I am glad, if they make business and wish 'em all the best, but, sheesh... give me a break!Pat

Eagle, that VC looks GREAT! talk about the feeling of really being there! any 2D screen shots available other than fight 1's site around?Enjoy your new aircraft!Currently flying:Majestic Dash 8-300 (love this plane)Level-D (perfect in every way) PMDG 747 ( waiting for that patch..)Paul C.

I want a real comparison to LAGO,F1,and MDMAX with the JCA merge.I owned the LAGO which I have removed from my HD and I just got refunded for the F1 model see my other post ...The MDMAX looks good from a realistic perspective but how is it on FPS,are there external sounds with the JCA merge, and what are the current bugs aftere their latest updates?Andy

Paul,have you looked here also:http://www.flight1software.com/showcase/s80/Eagle

Eagle,Thanks, I missed that one!Paul C.

You cannot compare the Lago to the Flight1, because they're the same model, but from completely different generations. The Lago models the more modern one, while the Flight1 is (so they say) a replica of a 1979 MD-80.Pat

A bit of a late reply but I would like to add one thing to the discussion. The price of EUR 60.- for the MDMax is surely not cheap but you get an extremly realistic panel AND the JCA model. If you want only the panel, the price is cheaper. And to be more precise, when I say realistic, you have to understand that it's even superior to PMDG and Level-D in terms of systems. So I for one think it's worth the money. If you like VC's, then Ok it's really not for you. If you like as real as it gets, then there's actually no option if you want an MD-80.Regards,Daniel

And here we go...Another thread about prices.---> I am going to bed...Bye all

I have all three of the MD-80's, Lago, MdMax and F1. Unfortunately the Lago product, which in it's current release flys and works pretty well, still has serious flaws and NO, read that absolutely NONE, support.The MDMax is a current generation MD-80 and is really fantastic assuming you don't require a VC and external sounds. It is however an accurate representation of an FMS equipped MD-80 .. Delta has a bunch of MD-88's which are equipped like MDMax. It is the real thing and for an FMS equipped maddog, it is awesome (IMHO) Support is excellent for this one.The F1 Super80 offering, just "out of the gate" is fantastic, first because it was developed by Espen Oijordsbakken (of the free F-50 fame) and second because it works amazingly well for an initial release of a very complicated piece of software, and thirdly because it is supported as all F1 products ... extremely well. It represents the early stages of MD-80 development (DC-9-80, 81, 82 and 83) BUT this version with analog gauges, OMS and PMS is still in use today on over 200 American Airlines MD-8Xs. So OLD, I don't think so. Take a look at airliners.net and you'll see. Some of the AA MDs are fitted with EFIS, but still have no FMS ... but are outfitted with the OMS/PMS combo (which together perform the same function). So is this a contemportary airliner??? ... absolutely ... if you fly in the US, chances are you will ride in an AA MD-82 or 83 which is exactly that represented by the F1 Super80.Is anything perfect ??... to read these forums is to think that every thing is a disaster ... complaints, whining, wah wah wah .. everywhere ... but "You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time," is a reality, always has been, and of course everyone has a right to their opinion.As I read the forums I am very saddened and frustrated for many people for whom the best stuff (PMDG, LDS, FS stuff, etc etc) does not seem to work .. I have a "older" Dell 8250 "stock" machine on which everything works fine (except that the Lago MD-80 will not intercept a localizer anymore) .. has always worked fine .. and when I read through all the forums every day seeing that many many people have problems ... really bad serious issues ... I feel quite fortunate that I have what I have.We have gone from "0" maddogs in recent years to "3" ... pretty amazing ... If you are a MD lover, then I can't personally see why you wouldn't want BOTH the MDMax AND the F1 Super80.Cheers and TGIF!!!Paul BenoitKSAN