PhilJ

Help Needed - Brown Horizon Problem

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I am trying to use Adamski_NZ's PTA preset "Adam_PTA_26_01" but I get this horrible looking horizon and clouds. Does anyone know what causes this?

Using PTA 2.60 and P3D 4.1

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I've tried a few other presets and this only happens on one other but I really want to get this one to work.

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Tried restoring default shaders?

After that, you could try loading the preset again.

 

Kind regards

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Already tried that. Even replaced the default ones with my own clean backup just in case the PTA ones had become corrupted,

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13 minutes ago, PhilJ said:

Already tried that. Even replaced the default ones with my own clean backup just in case the PTA ones had become corrupted,

Tried installing P3d v4.1 Client only, this will restore the original shaders in case your current backups are corrupted.

Have a look at the following tutorial on how to do this if the steps are not clear, hope this helps and kind regards

 

Sorry saw that you had replaced the default ones with your own clean backup, was this via the client reinstall or other backup? You could also try another preset just to see if the skyline is color is resolved.

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Thanks for the replies, but I have already tried all of that. I've tried to cover all the basic stuff and I posted here as a last resort as I'm now stuck.

I'm thinking it's a setting somewhere as it's not happening in other presets that I've tried.

The only part in Adamski_NZ's install instructions that I couldn't follow is installing FEX clouds as I don't have them. I use either ASCA or REX.

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1 minute ago, PhilJ said:

Thanks for the replies, but I have already tried all of that. I've tried to cover all the basic stuff and I posted here as a last resort as I'm now stuck.

I'm thinking it's a setting somewhere as it's not happening in other presets that I've tried.

So other presets work fine? In that case best you try and message Adam as he would be best-placed to answer your query on the ini. settings for his file.

Kind regards

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Hmmmm .... weird!!!

1) Does this also happen with "clear" weather selected - or only when there's mist?

2) Does this happen at all times of the day - or dawn/dusk?

3) What sky/clouds texture set are you using?

4) Just as double check - is HDR enabled and the values set to those in the preset?

I suspect that it's your sky textures causing a strange palette shift at certain times of the day (the brown clouds are a give-away). My 26_01 actually has a tiny bit of blue dialled in for haze, so you really shouldn't be seeing things going that red/brown.

Adam.

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47 minutes ago, Adamski_NZ said:

Hmmmm .... weird!!!

1) Does this also happen with "clear" weather selected - or only when there's mist?

2) Does this happen at all times of the day - or dawn/dusk?

3) What sky/clouds texture set are you using?

4) Just as double check - is HDR enabled and the values set to those in the preset?

I suspect that it's your sky textures causing a strange palette shift at certain times of the day (the brown clouds are a give-away). My 26_01 actually has a tiny bit of blue dialled in for haze, so you really shouldn't be seeing things going that red/brown.

Adam.

 

1) Happens with all weather cleared.

2) The whole day, but between 2200 and 0500 the brown turns a ghostly white.

3) Using REX textures, I found a preset called "Adam_PTA_???" so using that while I'm testing. Happens with default clouds too though.

4) HDR is enabled with the correct settings. Enabling the preset takes care of this though doesn't it?

EDIT: Just activated the preset without any of the options under clouds checked and all looks normal, so definitely a cloud setting issue.

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2 minutes ago, PhilJ said:

1) Happens with all weather cleared.

2) The whole day, but between 2200 and 0500 the brown turns a ghostly white.

3) Using REX textures, I found a preset called "Adam_PTA_???" so using that while I'm testing. Happens with default clouds too though.

4) HDR is enabled with the correct settings. Enabling the preset takes care of this though doesn't it?

Yes - allowing the preset to control the HDR is generally OK.

I don't think it's the clouds textures at fault - more like the sky settings. That theme was done ages ago (I think). I no longer use it, so I'll see what I have set up now. I wanted a much brighter sky in general, so rather than tweak the PTA settings excessively (which not everyone would like) I created a set based on my old FEX (not REX) skies.

As an experiment, try some other sky theme - see if that changes anything!

Adam.

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Just tried a few other themes and it's still the same.

Just activated the preset without any of the options under clouds checked and all looks normal, so definitely a cloud setting issue. Going to disable each option under clouds one by one to see which one is causing the issue.

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2 minutes ago, PhilJ said:

Just activated the preset without any of the options under clouds checked and all looks normal, so definitely a cloud setting issue. Going to disable each option under clouds one by one to see which one is causing the issue.

When you isolate the setting, let me know which theme you're using so I can see what I get. Also - post a pic with your SLEW co-ordinates and I'll try to replicate the shot.

Adam.

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Found the setting. It's the "Cirrus Lighting".

Positioned at KTIW Runway 35 and just slew up a few thousand feet.

Rex theme is one called Maldives Realistic Theme.

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Ok I thought I am the only one, but indeed looks terrible, specially at night. Final turn to EDDF to 07R last night at approx 5000 ft, I got sudden blinding flash (!) to the point that screen was totally white! Wing view down was OK though. Luckily changed at about 4000 ft so I was able to land. Tried more or less everything during the flight but no help. Changed settings, applied Mat's settings but nope. Gerrard helped me with few ideas but nothing worked. I have to say, that haze, color from above and closer to the plane all looks amazing but horizon kills it totally to the point of not usable! In the middle of the flight I closed ASP4 to see what's happening and all looked white of course. If anyone has any idea how to overcome this I would appreciate.

Hopefully someone will find the fix or I have to dump it totally at this moment. Just not sure how to disable it until fix is found.

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2 hours ago, Adamski_NZ said:

Thanks, Phil. I'll take a looksee!

Adam.

Adam, just FYI, I was using Gerard's set up, and same issue. Just wondering, if you can't produce yourself on your PC, could it be something that we run on our machines differently....?

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Here's a few tests. I used the time preview slider and couldn't get anything odd to happen. These three are going towards late afternoon, when the clouds begin to darken:

KTIW_01_1350.jpg

KTIW_02_1350.jpg

KTIW_03_1350.jpg

I tried with all sorts of weather themes (Clear, fair, cold fronts etc.) - no problems..

My REX theme is Adam_PTA_25_04: see if that's out there in "Community". *However* - my SKY textures are different from my REX theme. I use a custom-built theme from FEX.

My Cirrus settings in PTA are Lighting: 1.60, Saturation: 1.00. I've been working on a new preset and haven't checked back yet what they were in 26_01, but you may want to check//compare those values.

My gut feeling is that it's to do with the sky textures palette.

Adam.
 

 

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Well, that clearly looks good....I don't think issue should be with REX or ASP4. Not sure should I delete Shader folder again and apply your settings this time? Yesterday before  I took off, I deleted folder, opened PTA and applied REX settings first (?). Than, it was day time, at FL310, I noticed bothersome brown horizon. At first I didn't know what is it. At the distance, approx let's say 100 miles, everything looked really beautifully, from every outside view. But than again, at night fall, ghost white replaced brown color. And that's when I started changing everything, deleting shaders thru PTA, changing ASP4 settings, distances, cloud draws,   etc...... but none of that helped...

Your presets are linked under your signature? Also, what is the flight level you took this pics from?

P.S.

I just visited your site and I found this instructions:

Download the preset zip archive and extract it to somewhere convenient.

Copy the *.ini file into your PTA folder.

Start PTA: navigate to and open the new preset.

Click on "Apply Preset". This will apply the preset and clear your shaders cache.

Launch P3D - and check that your HDR settings are set to the recommended values for the new preset.

It may take a while for the textures/shaders to rebuild the first time you run P3D after a preset change - this is normal.

So, first PTA and adjustments, than start P3D?

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6 minutes ago, cyyzrwy24 said:

Your presets are linked under your signature? Also, what is the flight level you took this pics from?

Yes - that link should take you to my PTA presets page. I didn't check the flight level - I just tried to copy what I saw in your pic. I'll try FL350 tomorrow.

Adam.

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Thanks for looking into this Adam, obviously nothing wrong with your screens. Wondering if view distance settings in P3D are making a difference. What view distance radius setting are you using in your P3D config ?

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43 minutes ago, PhilJ said:

Thanks for looking into this Adam, obviously nothing wrong with your screens. Wondering if view distance settings in P3D are making a difference. What view distance radius setting are you using in your P3D config ?

I think I tried every possible scenario.......he mentioned some sky palette might have issues, but not sure how we can fix that.....

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Just do what I did for now, untick the "Cirrus Lighting" option under the clouds section in PTA.

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Trying to narrow down what's causing this so I tried another preset, Saldo's December preset. Loaded it up and had the brown horizon. Unchecked the Cirrus Lighting option and reloaded the preset and it still had the brown horizon.

So it's not specific to your preset Adam but at least unchecking Cirrus Lighing on your preset kills the brown horizon.

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Think I'm going mental, Just reinstalled Adam's preset with the Cirrus Lighting unchecked and now that still has the brown horizon too.

Going back to a totally clean P3D install now just to see what happens.

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Please keep us posted...I will not re-install P3D....will abandon PTA unfortunately if fix is not found or better set-up explanation, because I see there are few people here frustrated with it.....Might go in to "unfinished product waste of money BIN"

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Well I don't reinstall. I have a totally clean backup put aside. I just rename folders, delete the folders and files P3D generates after backing them up so I don't lose my custom settings, takes me about 5 minutes to go back to a clean install.

Anyway.....after doing all that and applying Adams preset again......no brown horizon and everything looks fine.

Now the hard part, finding out WTH is causing it.

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