For those contemplating the VISTA O.S. vs XP O.S for FSX might want to read this article.

[WarpD 824]

>But when your opinions are based on getting the facts utterly>wrong, what are they worth? Have you actually read the EULA?>Didn't think so. You can find it here for Windows Vista Home>Premium: >http://download.microsoft.com/documents/us...0621bddb153.pdf>>Pat has been kind enough to try to correct your factual>inaccuracies, but don't let that get in the way of your>beliefs. Just keep in mind the disservice you are doing to>those who read your posts at face value and do not take it>upon themselves to check it out.Oh... absolutely read it... and pay rather close attention regarding DRM. Here it is:"Windows Media Digital Rights Management. Content owners use Windows Media digitalrights management technology (WMDRM) to protect their intellectual property, includingcopyrights. This software and third party software use WMDRM to play and copyWMDRM-protected content. If the software fails to protect the content, content owners mayask Microsoft to revoke the software

[Guest B1900 Mech]

Yes It can be alot of laughs,I have been in airline maintenance since getting my airframe and powerplant certificate in 1988,So I see the non glamour and stupitidy in this job on a daily basis.The pilots dont have it much better.It just goes to show you that I still have a sick love for aviation,And esp. flight simming :-)

[Donstim 109]

>The key statement is here:>>"If the software fails to protect the content, content owners>may ask Microsoft to revoke the software's ability to use WMDR>to play or copy protected content.">>Drivers are software. Disabiling a driver for a piece of>hardware because it allows DR to be violated is exactly what>I'm talking about. S/PDIF is such a technology. Under>Vista's DRM it will be disabled any time any DRM content is>being accessed.>>The hardware is mine, not Microsoft's nor the RIAA/MPAA. >There is literally no legal basis for this behavior. Sony>tried to impose hardware restrictions on users' systems...>they're still paying for it. Big time.>>Despite the fact the EULA states you agree that MS can>download a list of revocations... there's still no legal basis>that grants them the legal right to disable hardware you own.Sorry, but this is a completely different issue than how it is being portrayed. Vista does not remove drivers, downloaded copies of Office (the TV show) or other audio/video content.There is plenty of precedent for restricting playback of protected content. Blame the RIAA and the MPAA (and Congress) if you must find someone to blame. These same hardware restrictions exist in HDTV tuners and recorders, high def DVD players, and standalone media players. When this capability is available through computers (through Windows Vista, for example), do you expect these restrictions to not be there?

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

don't get your point...who's Phil and which guys are you referring to?Who are the "they" that finally started talking to "us here"?. Who are the "us here" that your referring too.-----------------------------------------------------I'm with YOU! I didn't feel that I, you, or even the the poster that penned that----were part of a 'lump'. I wonder if MS thinks it might become malignant?!?:)Mitch R.

[Drumcode 1,893]

> don't get your point...who's Phil and which guys are you>referring to?>Who are the "they" that finally started talking to "us here"?.>Who are the "us here" that your referring too.>----------------------------------------------------->>I'm with YOU! I didn't feel that I, you, or even the the>poster that penned that----were part of a 'lump'. I wonder if>MS thinks it might become malignant?!?>>:)>>Mitch R.I want the sh*t that you're smoking.

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

It's called; LIFE.Get some, it will do you good. :)Cheers!Mitch R.

[Guest wyoming]

This country has been founded by people who decided not to go by the "book". Did it catch up with us?

[Guest iwantmydc3]

>Microsoft plans to remove those pirated movies and copies of>"Office" through VISTA ... and, you'd better jettison those>porn clips.>>No way, Jose, my porn is legal and I've spent a fortune for it! They're not takin my porn!

[Guest iwantmydc3]

>>> Couldn't agree with you more Greg. Sooner or later folks>will see the> light.>> Try and buy a machine (as an avg. consumer) after today and>your going> to get Vista...that's it.>> CraigOn yeah? Well, all I got to do is, buy the new computer, take it home, wipe it with parition magic, and istall XP Pro SP2 (I have a copy I haven't activated in more than 180 days. So there :(

[Guest iwantmydc3]

>>of the monopoly. I'll wait for the intelligent, un-bloated,>>OS that will inevitably come out within the next 5 years. I>>say "inevitably" because of the second law of>thermodynamics.>>Since I, personally, have always been many years late on>>"upgrading" Windows, to my greatest benefit, I'll just sit>>back, sim-fly and enjoy the show.>>Unfortunately, it seems that you will be forced to upgrade to>Vista eventually, if you ever want to fly your FS under DX10.>>I guess if a person doesn't care about flying FS under DX10,>then they can continue on with XP or whatever I suppose.>>Rhett>>AMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS>A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD>250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian caseYeah well the other (ok, main) reason I made my final decision not to upgrade is, Vista costs too much. The cost of an upgrade, plus $600 for an 8800 card, is jut not worth it. Couple years I'll get Vista, don't need the headaches now

[Guest iwantmydc3]

>Come on Phil - so what magical OS did Microsoft use to build>DX10 and test out it's components? Would that be dev tools>used on Win2K3 or WinXP?>>Rob.Probably coded with UNIX tools LOL.

[Guest Kev_Is_Soaked]

heh, XP or 2k3? Doesn't matter, 2k3 core was based right on top of the XP OS core as far as I'm concerned. Take a look at almost any KB article for 2k3, you will see that most XP bugs are also found in 2k3.For example, in XP, you cannot use the LSO feature of most network cards as long as the Firewall/ICS service is started (whether the features are enabled or not). Win2k3 is the exact same.

[Mace 1,927]

>>Yeah well the other (ok, main) reason I made my final decision>not to upgrade is, Vista costs too much. The cost of an>upgrade, plus $600 for an 8800 card, is jut not worth it.>Couple years I'll get Vista, don't need the headaches nowAgreed 100%, and I think you are doing the wise thing at this point in time...RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

[Guest Ozzie]

>@Wyoming&SoarPics: Linux is currently as "bloated" as any>other OS. Ever tried to install a recent version of SuSE with>all the "bells and whistles" on a machine with less than 1GB>Ram? Good luck. KDE and Gnome are as bloated and complex as>Vista. OSX is only more "lightweight", because of the limited>amout of hardware that is being supported.>>Please explain in detail in what way MS does intrude in our>lives? Name ONE example that is unique to Vista and that>hasn't been used by other companies before.>>Pat>>You may be right (to an extent) about some of the Linux BloatingBUT - MS is the ONLY company that is FORCING ME to be connected to the internetLets see you dispute THAT

[Guest Ozzie]

>>I have a DVD burner. I have a right, yes right to use it. >>Vista will shut it down, completely. That's not an>>inconvenience, it's theft.>>>Great points! Thank you!! There are a few more of us than I>would have guessed. :-beerchug Oh YES - there are quite a lot of us :-beerchug