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Landing without clearance!

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Fr. Bill    

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The photograph is a bit misleading since the aircraft was a Beechcraft 1900C landing at Trail Airport, BC.

 "3.1 Findings as to causes and contributing factors
These are conditions, acts or safety deficiencies that were found to have caused or contributed to this occurrence.

Although a radio functionality check was required before entering the manoeuvring area, per the Airport Vehicle Operator Permit (AVOP) Study Guide, the truck driver (Operator 1) did not conduct one. As a result, Operator 1 did not realize that the radio volume had been turned down to a level that prevented effective communication.
The truck driver (Operator 1) did not broadcast the vehicle position or his intentions when changing location on the runway, contrary to what is required by Transport Canada’s Aerodrome Standards and Recommended Practices (TP 312). Broadcasting the vehicle’s position and the operator’s intentions would have greatly increased the chances of the flight crew becoming aware of his presence.
The sun, low on the horizon, reflected off the wet runway, creating a solar glare condition that diminished the flight crew’s ability to detect the airport vehicle on the runway."

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2018/a18p0177/a18p0177.html 

Dugald Walker

This is a real threat and happens easily during repeated approaches and rushed approaches. I know I'm not the only one who has asked before "Are we cleared to land? Could you confirm we are cleared?". In the USAF, we would beat the pattern up. You would be doing those closed patterns and would ask "landing check complete?" though you had just completed it 10 minutes ago. It quickly starts running together until you break out and head back to the RADAR pattern. During those patterns you are constantly talking and instructing. I have known two guys who landed without clearance while doing multiple patterns. My technique was to only turn on the taxi light once cleared to land. It became habit to turn it off once the gear comes up and then turn it on once cleared to land. That way during short final you check gear, flaps, spoilers and look at the taxi light switch during your safety check. By all means, if unsure, ask!

Edited by G550flyer

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25 minutes ago, dmwalker said:

The photograph is a bit misleading since the aircraft was a Beechcraft 1900C landing at Trail Airport, BC.

Thanks. I noticed that the actual dialog had taken place after the aircraft had already landed, so figured that whoever put this together just used a video clip of "an aircraft landing" and not the actual plane involved.

It is good to know the actual provenance of this incident, as well as the back story.

Fr. Bill    

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