On 6/19/2024 at 7:05 PM, Denny_Crane_747 said:

Little point. Almost every update this year before the Pro came out was fire-fighting the FSW planes.

And the dev accuses me of not knowing how the TDS works.

Absolute lol. Jeeze.

Well there is no edit button... so I couldn't make my original post more clear.

But my reply to TDS is pretty darn clear.

It is FSW planes that are not working consistently. It was they who are rude.

Trash.

9 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

Here is point of GS capture. 90 min video of me using FSW Lear and TDS GTN was flawless the whole time. I arm the GS at 1:15:00 mins well under the glidescope.

Is this the proof you wanted? Sorry if it was something else!

EDIT was supposed to START clip at capture.

It's at 1:18:38 precisely as ac passes over FAF countdown on the 750.

As I said it sometimes works. Sometimes doesn't 

Why do you think there have have been nearly a dozen TDS updates... all to improve how it works with the FSWs ? Go and have a look on their site.

Clearly something is wrong.

 

 

So, to repeat... it currently, seems to depend on the airport.

Works at EGFF not at EGNM ILS30.

As soon as I hit GS, the Localiser hold is just lost.

 

... And there are other AP issues, such as diving and/porpoising when you change the lateral mode while the AP is engaged

It's awful. I've wasted too much time on it.

And clearly there will be more updates. It may work and then not work. For such a basic 2 axis (WW2-era) type AP, it's laughable.

Take a look at the SWS SF50. OMG. It flys itself.

It is not acceptable... there is no excuse.

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by Denny_Crane_747

2 hours ago, Denny_Crane_747 said:

As I said it sometimes works. Sometimes doesn't 

Why do you think there have have been nearly a dozen TDS updates... all to improve how it works with the FSWs ? Go and have a look on their site.

Clearly something is wrong.

Well I was posting purely as you claimed there were NO videos of ils working, which implies it doesn't work at ALL. I didn't know there were any updates to TDS I've only had one since purchase which was the superb navigraph integration one. 

As regards it working at some airports and not others that would imply the issue is with the airport nav coding surely? 

Last week I landed the pmdg 737 in a field in the middle of the night because the runway I used in the fms wasn't THERE. Now is that the fault of the plane, the navigraph database or the sim? 

I'm not a fan of early access tbh, and don't get me started on preorder either but with a small dev who has developed an almost complete, mostly working addon I can understand it these days.

How about you provide a short list of airport runways where the ils does not work for you, then maybe me or someone else can try the same landing to see if it's just you or everyone. 

On a side note is there a database somewhere of all the dodgy airports that need to be fixed? Incorrect nav aids or runways, broken taxi ways etc. 

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by sloppysmusic
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1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

Well I was posting purely as you claimed there were NO videos of ils working, which implies it doesn't work at ALL. I didn't know there were any updates to TDS I've only had one since purchase which was the superb navigraph integration one. 

As regards it working at some airports and not others that would imply the issue is with the airport nav coding surely? 

Last week I landed the pmdg 737 in a field in the middle of the night because the runway I used in the fms wasn't THERE. Now is that the fault of the plane, the navigraph database or the sim? 

I'm not a fan of early access tbh, and don't get me started on preorder either but with a small dev who has developed an almost complete, mostly working addon I can understand it these days.

How about you provide a short list of airport runways where the ils does not work for you, then maybe me or someone else can try the same landing to see if it's just you or everyone. 

On a side note is there a database somewhere of all the dodgy airports that need to be fixed? Incorrect nav aids or runways, broken taxi ways etc. 

Well they're few and far.

What is happening is simple but I don't get it.

Loc is captured perfectly.

But... when I click on GS...  it stops tracking the Loc and will not descend down the GS.

There have been so many updates to the GTN software to "fix the FSW Lear" I am sure it works... then it doesn't.

Another fix comes out... it works... then it doesn't.

It's a hot mess.

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by Denny_Crane_747

You try EGNM R14 or Cardiff R30 ILS. Tell me it works and I need a full reinstall of MSFS.

I've reinstalled the Garmin trainer and the TDS and the Lear.

Still flaking out.

7 minutes ago, Denny_Crane_747 said:

You try EGNM R14 or Cardiff R30 ILS. Tell me it works and I need a full reinstall of MSFS.

I've reinstalled the Garmin trainer and the TDS and the Lear.

Still flaking out.

OK that's a start. I was gonna ask for one or two to test.

Are you using navigraph charts? Want to make sure we have exact same plates/frequencies etc.

Even better please post the ILS and course you are using for these 2.

Another question:

When you tune the ILS do you ever see glidescope alive? As in the vertical indicator does it appear on the CDI/HSI? If you do NOT then that's the reason it does not work. If you DO then the fault is with the A/P coupling code.

OK. I took some screenshots earlier.

I'll gather tgem up. Thnx.

Leeds Bradford EGNM R32.

 

Plate

Cockpit

GTN

 

So the Nav / Loc is Captured. Fine.

But once GS is Armed (amber) it may Green up but the Localiser is then ignored... i.e it stops tracking it. Stays green and Cap on MCP but it wanders off.

And... it will not descend into the GS from 4.2 miles out at 1600.

If I don't hit GS it tracks the Loc perfectly.

I am using both manual Heading mode to intercept the Loc or allowing the GTN to stay in Nav mode... either way it's no go.

The story is the same at Cardiff EGFF R32.

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 20241 yr by Denny_Crane_747

BTW. I'm using the OrbX EGNM.

Maybe I should try the default version. 😒

It has to be something.

2 hours ago, Denny_Crane_747 said:

BTW. I'm using the OrbX EGNM.

Maybe I should try the default version. 😒

It has to be something.

Which version? There is version 1 and version 2 (updated) from ORBX?

Also, just flew this myself yesterday since you mentioned this was the problem for you. I did 14 and 32 without any issues in the Lear.

Does this happen at other airports?

Well I've tried both and the default.

But, what I'm finding now, is that it only works if you are in "GPS NAV" mode... all the way to the Localiser FAF.

Then.. you can switch to ILS VLoc mod and it works fine !

But...It will NOT capture the GS if you intercept the Localiser in "Heading" mode... unlike every other addon I use it with. And it certainly doesn't auto switch to ILS mode ... although they do make the latter, clear, if you read the small print.

Unfortunately given that Beyond ATC is mainly giving out vectors currently, it makes it virtually useless to me.

I also find when switching from HDG to GPS Nav mode -- or vice versa -- it loses Altitude Hold and plummets out of the sky at up to 4000 fpm. Not good. Never seen this before.

I also note in your video that you stayed on the "magenta line" until the very last minute and then (I assume) clicked on ILS VOR LoC to activate the App mode and gain GS interception too.

Yes... I can do this too. But in reality the GTN should not be this restrictive. You should be able to navigate using a mixture of GPS and HDG modes or just HDG mode.. and still have the LOC/GS intercepted... as you can with the PMS GTN or the GNS 530.

For me.. I see "Compatibilty with the TDS GTN" very 'limited' at best.

It also explains why so many GTN patches gave been released for the FSW Lear over the last 6 to 9 months. It simply has issues with it.

I've spent too much time on this. It's thus time to move on unfortunately.

But thanks for your response.