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AIRAC data and 8.33kHz spacing - how to solve?

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Hi folks,

I am looking for some ideas of how to solve this issue.
I recently tried a flight using the PMDG 777 in P3Dv5.3 HF2 and wanted to start my flight in Dublin in combination with trying out the latest version of FSHUD that performs simulated ATC.

When I tried to tune into the Dublin Clearance Delivery frequency 122.985, I got the "run around" from FSHUD because it was trying to send/set a frequency the 777 didn't understand as I believe the 777 does not have the radio capabilities in the sim of using 8.33kHz frequencies (just the 25kHz spacing is available in the P3D version). It is also not possible to use the radio panel to manually set a 8.33kHz frequency in the T7.

I contacted FSHUD Support and they confirmed that FSHUD works off of 8.33kHz frequencies now and clearly the issue is with PMDG not having updated the aircraft which is perfectly reasonable. I am told that FSHUD uses the Navigraph package as its source to display the required COM frequencies in its app.

Based on some PMDG forum posts I have read, this update won't come soon until PMDG have released their MSFS product portfolio and we know how long that is taking 😉


However I am looking for some workarounds in which I would still like to use FSHUD:

Q: For the purposes of the sim, would it be possible to modify the Navigraph Airac file so that the COM frequencies for Dublin Clearance Delivery were set to an "alternate" frequency that is compatible with the PMDG 777?
If so, which file would that be in the Navigraph airac  package (I have a Navigraph subscription) as I could not spot where the COM frequencies for each airport are stored?

If this is possible I could then also update the EIDW scenery I am using using Herve's AIE tool to set the corresponding frequency in the scenery itself.

 

Q: Alternatively, is there a way to write/send the PMDG T7 an internal command for a 8.33kHz frequency (even though it may not be properly displayed on the radio panel)  as I understood that  the underlying sim does (v5) support the new frequency spacing.
 

Any thoughts on how to get round this issue/dilemma?

Anyone else encounter a similar issue and how did you solve it?


Thanks in advance
Mark

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System specs: MFG Crosswind pedals| ACE B747 yoke |Honeycomb Bravo throttle
Now built: P3Dv5.3HF2: Intel i5-12600K @4.8Ghz | MSI Z690-A PRO | Asus Dual RTX 4070 Super OC 12Gb| 32Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200Mhz |Samsung 980Evo Pro PCIe 500Gb | WD Black SN850 PCIe 2Tb | WD SA510 4Tb |beQuiet 802 Tower Case|Corsair RM850 PSU | Acer Predator X34P 3440x1440p

Mark Aldridge
MSFS2024 SU5 & P3D v5.3 HF2

30 minutes ago, 787flyer said:

Q: For the purposes of the sim, would it be possible to modify the Navigraph Airac file so that the COM frequencies for Dublin Clearance Delivery were set to an "alternate" frequency that is compatible with the PMDG 777?
If so, which file would that be in the Navigraph airac  package (I have a Navigraph subscription) as I could not spot where the COM frequencies for each airport are stored?

Since you use FSHud, sadly not: the database you need to edit is hosted online in their servers. I hope to be wrong.

Best regards,
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@787flyer, Mark, Radar Contact still uses 0.25Hz steps and it’s free. Plus you get me to watch your flying. 😉

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

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@Ray Proudfoot Thx for the reminder about RC! I may well just try this out.

Can you remind me how does RC select the correct COM1 frequency? Does it work off of Navigraph or does it have its own database of airport  and navaid frequencies?

 

Thx
Mark

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System specs: MFG Crosswind pedals| ACE B747 yoke |Honeycomb Bravo throttle
Now built: P3Dv5.3HF2: Intel i5-12600K @4.8Ghz | MSI Z690-A PRO | Asus Dual RTX 4070 Super OC 12Gb| 32Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200Mhz |Samsung 980Evo Pro PCIe 500Gb | WD Black SN850 PCIe 2Tb | WD SA510 4Tb |beQuiet 802 Tower Case|Corsair RM850 PSU | Acer Predator X34P 3440x1440p

Mark Aldridge
MSFS2024 SU5 & P3D v5.3 HF2

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@787flyer, It needs MakeRunways by Pete Dowson. That reads all the relevant BGLs and creates csv files used by RC4. So frequencies are derived from your addon scenery as well as default ones.

RC4 has a Update Database option to import them. Runs on same PC as P3D or networked.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

chlive.php

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Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

@787flyer, It needs MakeRunways by Pete Dowson. That reads all the relevant BGLs and creates csv files used by RC4. So frequencies are derived from your addon scenery as well as default ones.

RC4 has a Update Database option to import them. Runs on same PC as P3D or networked.

OK @Ray Proudfoot, let me review the installation process. Hopefully config is easy. Can you send me the new link for the RC4 download via PM please?

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System specs: MFG Crosswind pedals| ACE B747 yoke |Honeycomb Bravo throttle
Now built: P3Dv5.3HF2: Intel i5-12600K @4.8Ghz | MSI Z690-A PRO | Asus Dual RTX 4070 Super OC 12Gb| 32Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200Mhz |Samsung 980Evo Pro PCIe 500Gb | WD Black SN850 PCIe 2Tb | WD SA510 4Tb |beQuiet 802 Tower Case|Corsair RM850 PSU | Acer Predator X34P 3440x1440p

Mark Aldridge
MSFS2024 SU5 & P3D v5.3 HF2

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22 minutes ago, 787flyer said:

OK @Ray Proudfoot, let me review the installation process. Hopefully config is easy. Can you send me the new link for the RC4 download via PM please?

Done. Good luck!

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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