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When at KORD or KLAX fps drops to 4.I have tried the various tweaks etc, but nothing much has helped so far.System info------------------System Information------------------Time of this report: 4/21/2008, 09:21:08 Machine name: XXXX Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254) Language: English (Regional Setting: English)System Manufacturer: System manufacturer System Model: System Product Name BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Processor: Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs) Memory: 3070MB RAM Page File: 745MB used, 4210MB available Windows Dir: C:WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce 8500 GT DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Key: EnumPCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0421&SUBSYS_82451043&REV_A1 Display Memory: 512.0 MB Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor Max Res: 1680,1050

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And that's likely what your problem is - your video card company.For example, here's a search of the nVidia Knowledgebase where FSX is concerned:* no hitsThat's right, no hits. None. On FSX. Why?Perhaps it's because nVidia has outsourced its "customer experience management" to a third party [www.rightnow.com] which promises to "dramatically reduce [nVidia's] costs."Translation: nVidia has been shielded from you - their customer. On the plus side, nVidia is enjoying huge savings.So, you're hosed dude. You went with an nVidia 8x card. Big mistake.So, unfortunately, you're left with two choices:* stay away from these two airports* downgrade to DX9c-compatible video cardSorry to be the bearer of the news. Please don't kill the messenger!

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All is not necessarily lost. I've got an nVidia 8x card (the 512MB 8800GTS) and I get great frame rates (always over 15fps, usually over 20fps), at KBOS at least, haven't tried KLAX or KORD yet.My CPU is a Q6600 G0 overclocked to 3.2GHz, but even before overclocking it was pretty smooth at 2.4.What settings are you using? I think the trick is just not to expect good results with all sliders way over to the right. As Phil says in his blog, autogen is the real killer. I'm OK with dense, but have to turn it down to normal when flying the PDMG 747 for example. Even at that FSX looks fantastic. (Of course my spectacles may be slightly rose-tinted as until last week I was using an old single-core P4.)Colin

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I have been adjusting my settings, moved all sliders right back to min, still only getting 7fps max. Tried all the tweaks too.It sucks, I am using the PMDG 747 all the time only plane I fly. I tried turning autogen off too, didnt help much though. I really dont want to have to buy any more hardware, its getting to be a real pain the butt having FSX.

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>And that's likely what your problem is - your video card>company.>>For example, here's a search of the nVidia Knowledgebase where>FSX is concerned:>>* no hits>>That's right, no hits. None. On FSX. Why?>>Perhaps it's because nVidia has outsourced its "customer>experience management" to a third party [www.rightnow.com]>which promises to "dramatically reduce [nVidia's] costs.">>Translation: nVidia has been shielded from you - their>customer. On the plus side, nVidia is enjoying huge savings.>>So, you're hosed dude. You went with an nVidia 8x card. Big>mistake.>>So, unfortunately, you're left with two choices:>>* stay away from these two airportsI have to use major airports flying the 747 to make it realistic>* downgrade to DX9c-compatible video card>>Sorry to be the bearer of the news. Please don't kill the>messenger!>Many thanks for the info

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so what card should I install?? I cannot buy two and make SLI it will cost too much, how about one good card??Please let me knowrgsdpaul

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>The other problem could be my memory management, I have 4GB>ram installed also 2x512 8500GT's>>XP only reads 3 gb with the switch in the config right ?????>>Perhaps I should remove 2 gigs of mem and retry????No, that is not correct, but I'm not going to beat that particular drum here.I'd remove one of the video cards before doing anything else.

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>Ok ty will try that :-) I suppose I should have stated "why" this may be beneficial to you. You see, there's little to be gained by having both installed, and a whopping 512MB of virtual address space being set aside for each card, half of which is wasted...

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So lets consider how good this GPU is, using the info I posted athttp://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2008...d-consumer.aspxand referenced in this thread:vs 8800 GTstream processors 16/112 = 14.28%core clock 400/600 = 66.67%shader clock = 900/1500 = 60%memory clock = 400/900 = 44.4%memory amount is finememory interface is 50% the widthmemory bandwidth = 12.8/57.6 = 22.22%texture fillrate = 3.6/33.6 = 10.71%so the weakest link of the 8500 is less than 11% the perf of the 8800 GT which is already not the top of the line ( that is the 8800 Ultra ). and memory bandwidth is 22%.So now think about what I posted here:http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/archive/2008...e-envelope.aspxand how memory and bus bandwidth intensive FSX is. did you try setting your autogen cell max down to 500 yet?PS: This is my 1000th post!

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seems smoother, but little change to the FPS.And FSX has reset its controls, I spent ages setting the controls for my PMDG 747.I must admit I am nearly at the stage of throwing it out, getting pretty sick of it.MS should specify correctly what is required for this simulation, its very misleading to the average guy on the street, the spec required and the actual requirement are miles apart.Having now purchased, FSX, ACCELERATION, FSX DELUXE, as my original FSX would never work properly, and also upgrading my machine, I really cannot justify another 200 to 400 quid on another setup for SLI or a high powered single GPU. I have also purchased like many others addons for FSX. Which at this moment are worthless.I am very very disapointed in the product, I know the future is great and it will last until then, but what about now, I have 100 pounds worth of software sitting here unuasable basically.Currently I work as a commercial gas fitter/boiler engineer, and if I sold a customer a boiler and said well, it will work a little for the next year, maybe not, but in 2010 it will work really great I think they would tell me FO. So come on guys help me out here. Sorry for the rant, but its getting to that stage

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I understand all that, so my GPU sucks and isnt going to work on FSX, but why should I upgrade my GPU again????? Only built the SLI setup a few months back, after that I upgraded my whole machine for FSX excluding GPU, as it was SLI ready.Its a bit much to have to pay for another GPU..... The guys @ MS need to spec better what is required to run this simulation. What is specd on the MS website and DVD cover is misleading...:-(

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Joe,I use the nVidia 7950 GX2. I'd stay away from DX10 cards (not ready for primetime). I get decent frame rates at KBOS (20 or so at fairly high complexity). Excellent elsewhere. KLAX drops into the 16s, so, I don't fly there much (although San Fransciso is OK).What's required to run the sim depends on too many factors for MS to put it on the box. For example, if you're a bush pilot, FSX minimum specs are fine for flying the EH101 over the 3m LIDAR Mount St. Helens (excellent view, btw!)If you want to fly the Level D 767 out of LaGuardia at full Secenery Complexity, then of course the requirements change.Sux about nVidia, though. Sure wish they didn't have a monopoly on the monitor. (And I bet Microsoft does, too!) Where's the Dept' of Justice when you really need 'em!

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I don't suppose you live in the UK do you? If so I can sell you my old 6800GS... :)Seriously, it gave me much better frame rates than what you're seeing with my old P4, even with the PMDG 747 at major airports (albeit with no autogen or traffic).Anyway I hope you manage to find a card that solves your frame rate problem. If you can afford it it's definitely money well spent.Colin

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>PS: This is my 1000th post!Phil ... And in such a short time. Just, thank you so much for hanging in here with us all. This forum can be a jungle sometimes. And you are nominated for the $1 MIl prize on the "FSX Survivor Show!!"Take care, Steve

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<<>>A valid point. System requirements on the box...XP/SP2 - 256MB RAMVista - 512MB RAMProcessor 1.0 GHzVideo Card - Direct X 9.0 with 32MB of RAM and support for hardware transform and lighting.Hard to imagine any enjoyment from this system.

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many thanks for that, pc's and hardware are annoying, I have always built my own computers, and I know everytime something comes out I have to upgrade, but I have recently upgraded and got into FSX, and need to upgrade again, thats all I am saying.When FSX is running well its great, but I find it really buggy to be honest, maybe my machine. I spent all day Saturday reinstalling, repairing etc, just now reloaded it, and my buttons and control config has gone. Now needs reloading again, FSUCPI has kept my buttons for PMDG.I know PMDG 74 needs a good spec cause the cockpit alone is high graphics, but I will try it again tomorrow.Now changing my raid around so its a little faster, but bottle neck GPU is going to hold it back.I'm not worried about how the ground looks, as along as the airfields are good, I have a number of addons, which are also high demand. I know I will have to upgrade the GPU but its painful, another

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><<misleading>>>>>A valid point. System requirements on the box...>>XP/SP2 - 256MB RAM>Vista - 512MB RAM>>Processor 1.0 GHz>>Video Card - Direct X 9.0 with 32MB of RAM and support for>hardware transform and lighting.>>Hard to imagine any enjoyment from this system.>Yes if it said a GPU with ultra high settings and 1gb of GPU ram, quad core pro, 6gig of system ram, I wouldnt be able to complain right!!! But the spec for FSX is very low compared to what is required.

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I do live in the UK, whats the spec on the card ???Going to try playing around with what I have, but let me know the spec and price, I do have a older PCIE GPU here somewhere may try that first.Many thanks

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It's a Gainward Bliss 6800GS, 512MB, 485MHz. Price, not sure. If you're interested send me a PM and we can figure out what's fair. eBay's good for that. :)Definitely try your other card first though. It seems like there are quite a few things that can make FSX run slower than it should. I'd hate to sell you a card only to have you find that it makes no difference at all...Colin

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