Hey guys, been suffering with this for a while.. no matter how hard i try, i still get double arrows when trying to click on the various buttons and switches in the cockpit...

Its making me feel ill (don't do motion sickness well so VR still a challenge)

Ive tried adjusting the PID all the way up and down but can seem to find the point where the arrow or hand becomes one and hits the spot..usually have to close one eye to see where its really at!

I know this is not right so wondering if its just me or am i missing a setting somewhere?

Cheers

Is it all models or specific aircraft / developers?  Usually it depends how well the developer has programmed the 'focussing' of the cursor across the two eyes.  I don't want to accuse the wrong devs so will wait until I can boot up the sim again, but there is one tubeliner dev that simply hasn't got it right at all - I have to close one eye to hit the right spot and end up with eye-strain every flight, there's another couple where it is better but still causes strain.

Hmm thanks AJ for that... im usin the Fenix which for many areas is fine...like the EFB for example... but the overhead and MCDU is painful... closing one is is an option but never used to get any of this in IL2.. perhaps as you say, the developer needs to address?

Well, I've spent the last hour or so booting up most of my favourites and some that I use less often (as I said to MrsAJZip2 when she was tutting in the background, it's a difficult job...but someone has to got do it 😁 ) and these were my results in reverse order of ease of use.  I have to say - even with the bad ones, I don't actually get double vision of the cursor arrow or hand.  But in terms of being certain I'm hovering over the correct button or switch:

iFly 737 Max 8  - I LOVE this aircraft, but the VR mouse is shockingly bad.  I mean, almost unusably bad.  The cursor arrow and hand hovers 6" over the MCDU in real world scale terms.  You HAVE to close one eye to have any chance of pressing the correct button.  It makes programming it a very slow and uncomfortable experience and I feel eye strain for a number of hours afterwards.

Aerosoft CRJ - Nowhere near as bad as the iFly but you become aware, even though you see a single cursor hand, that closing one eye or the other will change the hand position over the button or switch.  I did an international flight recently in it (it has bad press in various places, but I quite like it) and did feel a touch of eye strain at the end of the flight.

 

The others were pretty good - in some cases, I think that is a relatively recent improvement - with both MCDU and overhead giving no ambiguity which button or switch the hand was over.  This included:

Fenix A320; PMDG737 ; Inibuilds A340 (spot on - when the hand appears over the individual MCDU button, it is almost magnetically dragged to the button surface); Working Titles 787; FSS Embraer; ATR; MS/Ini A320 V2; Black Square Baron.

I have flown an aircraft very recently that was not so good, in addition to the iFly 737 and Aerosoft CRJ above, but can't recall which it was.  If I come across it over the next few days, I'll let you know.

Which Fenix version have you been flying @vonduck ?

The Fenix I tried this morning was OK (although my memory was that Fenix was one of those that I had suffered issues in the past) - but I can try it again with the version that you have been having difficulties with.

3 hours ago, AJZip2 said:

Which Fenix version have you been flying

Hey AJ.. just been using the A320 latest version of the Fenix (like to keep all thing up to date)... i think the left eye focus may just well have to do rather than straining my eyes to get it right... seems like a solution at the moment...

10 hours ago, vonduck said:

Hey AJ.. just been using the A320 latest version of the Fenix (like to keep all thing up to date)... i think the left eye focus may just well have to do rather than straining my eyes to get it right... seems like a solution at the moment...

Later today I'll check that my Fenix is up to date and have another look.

Hmmm...I checked and I am on the latest update of the Fenix.  And the VR cursor here is fine on both the MCDU and overhead panel.  The only difference, maybe, is the I am using the Legacy setting for my mouse cursor as it is the only way I have found to be able to both push and pull Airbus autopilot knobs.

Are you getting the same issue in other aircraft?

Other thoughts included whether a tweak on the IPD of the headset might make a difference - although I would have thought that would show in more than just the cursor.

Thanks for checking all this stuff AJ... appreciated!

Ill check the legacy mouse cursor thing out later... could be the issue... and have been playing with the IPD setting forever... on the old Reverb it used to be pretty easy to get it right as the screen married up as it was adjusted... the PCL is a bit of hit an miss for me, perhaps that's why i have eye strain... 

More testing to do me thinks...

Thanks again mate!

Edit: oops sorry wrong thread

Edited January 25Jan 25 by MarcG

39 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Out of interest I thought I'd give this a go and it immediately get's my HMD confused even though it states it's correct, it gives settings that simply don't exist. Then it goes on to give AMD settings and some of them don't exist in the software either, that's no good.

I did change a couple of driver settings "just to see" but generally ignored everything Co-Pilot spat out (Medium Glass Cockpit is a massive no go!), I've got decades of tweaking experience so I know what I'm doing generally and the one main thing AI can't advise is personal taste of course.

What specific settings are you referring to, Marc?

Edited January 25Jan 25 by AJZip2

7 hours ago, vonduck said:

Thanks for checking all this stuff AJ... appreciated!

Ill check the legacy mouse cursor thing out later... could be the issue... and have been playing with the IPD setting forever... on the old Reverb it used to be pretty easy to get it right as the screen married up as it was adjusted... the PCL is a bit of hit an miss for me, perhaps that's why i have eye strain... 

More testing to do me thinks...

Thanks again mate!

With the shorter virtual image distance of the Crystal Light (1 metre as opposed to 2 metres for, say, the Reverb) I find that the IPD settings tend to be much more sensitive than many other headsets - and yes, that's given me eye strain in the past too.