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Go to the Marketplace and choose My Library. Find the ATR in the list. It will probably be greyed out. Click on it and a dropdown box should open for you to install it

I would add Black Square Bonanza (single) and Baron (twin) to the list. They are both superb

Ah...that makes perfect sense. I just looked it up. My trip will have been 14 or 15 years ago (weekly to Brussels for around 2 years or so) and the extension was c 12 years ago according to Google. So the 747 I saw did indeed land on the runway before it was extended. I'll see if I can find some old press reports.

Was that the one where excess weight had to be removed for it to be able to take off again? Maybe the runway has/had since been extended but I remember walking through the terminal and saw a 747 at a stand and said to the nearby airport security man, 'I didn't think that Birmingham was long enough to take 747's??' The security man replied, 'It isn't. This one had been diverted and was just about OK to land, but they're taking stuff out of it so it's light enough to be able to take off again.' He may have been joking, of course, but in probably hundreds of visits to the airport, it was the only time I have ever seen a 747 there !

I can vouch for the Pyreegue EGBB. The detail when you are at a gate is stunning. This was a startup of the recently updated ATR at a stand at EGBB. I use the airport frequently as a rl passenger and it really does look like this:

Ref the Airports, EGBB Birmingham is Pyreegue and EGCC Manchester is Inibuilds. They are both very good indeed!

As a one-time regular passenger in this aircraft I've always had a soft spot for it. I tended to class it with some of the other similar short/medium hop turboprop which, generally, got you there efficiently but not very comfortably. This one was maybe a bit more refined but some of the Dash aircraft had the reputation of every landing being closer to a controlled crash than a landing from many regular commuters 😀 But, as I say, the ATR was/is a bit more refined than that. And I flew in them so often that I got to like the sound and dynamics of the turboprops and learnt the trick - as I spotted many of my many fellow passengers also did - of lifting myself off the seat a few centimetres just before touchdown...every little bit of cushioning, cloth or airspace, helped! And this new version of the ATR has taken me back a decade or so to those times. To me, it now looks right, sounds right and feels right 👍 Short flight EGBB Birmingham to EGCC Manchester. Both airports are 3rd Party enhanced but - as I type - I can't remember whose. I'll check in the morning! The flight was done in VR with OBS Studio capturing video from the Pimax Crystal Light. These are stills taken from that video footage. Cold and Dark at a stand at Birmingham. Very nice detailing of the pathways, barriers, etc.. I promise to check the developer and report back tomorrow! The parked and moving aircraft are using the new subscription 'live' aircraft in the splendid FSHud Air Traffic Control package: Flight plan loaded, fuel and passengers aboard, engines started and heading towards the designated taxi-way: Holding short R33, waiting for ATC clearance to take off: I It does look the part, doesn't it! Lined up and last check that all systems are OK for T/O: And we're airborne: I think the developers have made a really nice job with this update: It's a short flight and before long it's time to start configuring for landing: Two reds and two whites and the ILS telling me that glideslope has been captured is always a relief (and often a surprise!): Still looking good and time for the passengers to start lifting themselves off their seats a touch: And down!! Passengers can gently lower themselves back into their seats. A couple of 'live' tubeliners taxying out in front: And another landing crew and passengers can walk away from 😄 :

👍😄 Great shot

Lovely shots!

Yes - like that. How does it fly?

Having spent too much time frustrated and unsuccessful by falling into many and most of the traps mentioned and already highlighted in this thread, I have nevertheless just finished a full short flight: cold and dark start all the way to ILS landing, taxi and shutdown. And - although I wouldn't be able to easily put my finger on what and where the ATR differences are - the whole thing felt much improved and turned out as a very, very satisfying flight. It looks good, sounds just like the real ones that I have been passenger in many times over the years - and feels just as quirky 😀 I was using FSHud air traffic control with their new 'live' traffic enhancement and was in VR, recording it 'through the lens' using OBS Studio . I will post some screen shots in the Screen Shot section of the forum when I get a chance.

For engine start - it is mentioned above but worth emphasising that all of the covers MUST be removed or the engines will spin but NOT start. I've never tried the external walkabout removal method, but there is an innocuous button in the 'Aircraft' section of the EFB - at the bottom of the list of 'States' (Cold and Dark/Ready for Taxi/Etc) 'Remove all Covers'. Clicking this seems to do absolutely nothing...but in reality it does remove the covers and allows the engines to start.

^^ This The 2020 version needs to remain in your sim for it to know that you qualify for the free 2024 version. But the 2020 version MUST be Disabled in your Library. The Marketplace will still recognise that you owned the 2020 version even when it is disabled in your Library.

I'm afraid I don't know the X-box systems at all. I'm sure someone here will, though.

Apols -I forgot that

This is a longshot - but there is growing evidence that a recent change in MS Windows is affecting some folks in MSFS2024, especially relating to Flight Plans and ICAO retrieval. It is that MS, in a recent Windows update has started duplicating certain folders in 'the cloud' in their OneDrive app. It is meant as a helpful automatic backup of important files for us...and, by default, it includes the Documents folders... In my case, in the Leonardo Maddog MD-82, it would NOT load my flight plan and returned that the 'ICAO not in the database'. What seems to have happened was that the sim searches for the flightplan in Documents....and finds the duplicate folder on OneDrive and can't access it. I tried around 16 failed flights trying all the stuff I could think and had read about elsewhere...then started seeing occasional reference to similar issues relating to OneDrive. What solved it for me was to simply go into the Windows programs menus and disabled OneDrive. Immediately it now found the airport on the MD82! This is what Google says about it: "Yes, issues where Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS 2024) fails to find ICAO airports can occasionally be related to Windows OneDrive folder syncing, but it is typically caused by a few other well-documented database discrepancies. [1, 2, 3] Here are the most common reasons this happens and how to fix them: 1. The OneDrive/Cloud Sync Conflict If Windows OneDrive is set to actively backup your Documents folder or your user AppData directories, it can lock crucial cache or configuration files while the simulator is trying to write to them. The Fix: Go to your OneDrive settings and ensure that the simulator's folders (e.g., your Communityfolder and SceneryIndexes) are set to "Always keep on this device" or excluded from cloud syncing entirely." Might not be the answer in your case - but worth a try. If it makes no difference, you can always turn OneDrive back on.

And - with it mysteriously fixing the flightplan import all by itself, I was able to try to remember (I've been waiting for an update for some time) how to do a cold and dark start, taxi, take-off and climb to cruise. And managed it! I'll do a full flight this evening but, with what I've seen so far, I think I'm going to be a happy chappy 👍

Was it attributed to Einstein that "the mark of insanity is repeating the same steps over again and expecting a different result"? Well I repeated the same steps around 15 times...and then the 16th time (exactly the same steps) it accepted the Simbrief plan request!!!!!!! 😄

...and note that the original post above was registered in January 2024!! Yes - my 2020 version is also well and truly disabled and I have had to go back to typing the plan manually into the MCDU because I have the same issue. It is odd that some folks have the (identical) problem and many don't. I have MSFS2024 on a different drive - maybe it's that?

Hmmm...I've tried a number of times - especially when I confirmed that the config file does have my correct Simbrief ID. I will try again in a few days but in the meantime just load the MCDU manually so at least I can try to fly it 🙂

No - just the same. Does your EFB pop up number pad accept your Simbrief number? Mine doesn't and so that screen thinks it hasn't been entered (even though their own config file begs to differ) I'm going to abandon trying to use a Simbrief plan (couldn't load an EFB plan either even when I reticked the 'use MSFS2024 Plan' tick box and rebooted the PC) and, instead, I will revert to manually updating the MCDU in the cockpit with the route, etc or I will just end up hating the aircraft before I've even started.

Ah - interesting. Thanks for the update 👍

Yes, disabled the 2020 versions and loaded the new one from the Marketplace. Everything else seems fine (actually, great 😊). No matter, I'll turn the MSFS option back on and use MSFS's EFB for the time being but if anyone else has had the same issue and sussed a fix that would be great 😊

In the aircraft EFB, I've remembered to untick the 'Use MSFS2024 Flightplan' box and am now trying to log into my Simbrief account on the 'Flightplan' screen. The numerical pad pop up is opening for entering Pilot ID and I can use to put in my 6-digit pilot ID...but the Enter button on the pop up doesn't seem to work. When I put the cursor hand over the Enter pad, it is the back arrow that lights up. Clicking on the 'Enter' pad just closes the pop up and when I reopen, my unentered Pilot ID is still there and still no access to my Simbrief plans. I've tried the other variants and rebooted the sim and the PC but it remains the same Any clue?

Finally sussed it...and this may affect others. Also, while I was trying to fly the MD-82 in MSFS2024, I'm guessing the same thing can happen in MSFS2020. Scenario: Simply NOTHING described in any of the tutorials, pages and pages of Leonardo documentation, videos or AI searches worked in terms of the simple task of creating a Simbrief flight plan, loading it into the correct folder in the correct form and then trying to find it in the Maddog's EFB. Honestly, in the past three days I've spent probably 15-20 hours at the screen researching and trying all sorts of iterations and permutations to try to get to see the flight plan on the aircraft's EFB. I was at the very edge of 'Life's too short. Task is just too hard' cutting my losses and deleting the Maddog from both sims. Culprit: Microsoft. Don't you just love 'em. In one of their recent 'security' updates, they switched on a facility that I did not ask for and did not want. And, to my knowledge, they didn't tell me either. In order to 'enhance your experience and let you access all of your documents and chosen files from any of your devices seamlessly and efficiently' they installed and turned ON OneDrive. So ALL of my Documents on my desktop were being duplicated into a different set of Documents folders 'in the cloud'. Including the Maddog X Routes folders!!! And this confuses the 'so many words not allowed that it is not even worth trying' out of the Leonardo file structure of the sim. So yes, you have a folder that contains your Routes but you also have a duplicate on the cloud. And - for reasons I don't understand - that was the one that the Maddog was looking for (and being on the cloud has no access to). Action: I've disabled OneDrive on my Desktop in its entirety and deleted all related folders it had created Result: Immediately, the flight plans were visible on the Maddog's EFB. Happy that I can fly the Maddog again but resent losing 3 days of my life starting to doubt the Maddog's systems and software before finally bottoming it as simply MS's "meddling"!!