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What does "N.C." mean?Sidney Schwartz [KPDX]Horizon Pilot--flight plans and scenery for FS2002http://sidneyschwartz.homestead.com/index.html

no comment. blais has said the last he was going to say on this topic.

Hi Mr. klucznik, let me jump in here. ATC's primary role is not to keep you (the pilot) from drilling your a/c into the ground or from kissing the side of a mountain. Rather, to keep seperation of aircraft from each other. You (the pilot) need to know your surrounding terrain, even in IFR. That's why we (real world pilots) file flight plans. A flight plan is not merely a map of point A to B. Rather, a plan that incorporates many variables (including appropriate altitudes for the route of flight).Take Care,DavidCommercial MEI, 5671+ hrshttp://www.jdtllc.com/images/RCbeta.jpg

OK. Just seems like an odd way to carry on a conversation.Sidney Schwartz [KPDX]Horizon Pilot--flight plans and scenery for FS2002http://sidneyschwartz.homestead.com/index.html

Yup.Regards

David,What you write is obviously correct.But let us not shy away from the fact that RC is not aware of ground elevations and obstacles when it vectors you for approach. It is a fact, and let's face it, it is a shortcoming because it is not realistic. In the real world, despite of what you wrote regarding responsibilities, an Approach Controller on radar will never vector you into a mountain, and the pilot does not have to question/doubt every vector and/or altitude assignment given, when near high terrain.What I honestly do not understand is why Blais insists in pointing this out in every single message he writes, as if we are not capable of understanding it. We all know it, so does he. It is upto every one of us to accept whether the ATC simulation is good enough even with such a shortcoming, or not.Why so much discussion about something so obvious, which jd or Doug never denied or contested to begin with?ANd let us not forget, that unrealistic as it may be, there are ways in the simulation to avoid being flown into a mountain without interrupting the simulation.Stamatis

With the FSATC, if the wind is from the west at Honolulu Intl, the ATC often plants me in the mountain range east of the airport while vectoring you to 26L, rather than letting you approach parallel to Waikiki Beach using the off-set localizer. Has anybody tried an approach to this runway with V3.0 yet with a heavy,? and will the proper STAR choice in advance put you in a position where the random final vectoring for 26L won't put you near terrain ? Thank you,John Marino

Hi John,I haven't tried that one myself, but using a STAR should help. Offset localizers are not recognized by RC, though, as far as I know. RC knows the runway heading, but it can't "see" an offset localizer. Activate notams for that airport and you'll be able to adjust your approach however you want so as to intercept the localizer correctly. Or you can request and fly whatever iap will set you up properly.Also remember that if you are flying a STAR, approach will normally start vectoring you once you are within 40 miles of the airport. If you want to be able to continue flying the STAR after that point, you should request an iap, have notams activated, or both.Sidney Schwartz [KPDX]Horizon Pilot--flight plans and scenery for FS2002http://sidneyschwartz.homestead.com/index.html

Thank you Sidney,I can't wait to order this product !John

Won't be long now John ;) , won't be long!