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Ahhh that'll probably be it! Thank you!

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me why the pink glideslope diamond would be missing from the PFD in this pic? Its usually been there on other approaches. As you can see its showing on the approach display....

Thanks

Dan

This will probably come across as blunt, but it's not meant to be:

You're not going to learn anything about approaches if you stick to the FMC.

 

First, I'd recommend having a look at the basics, here:

 

 

 

 

This approach is actually a hybrid of RNAV and ILS, which makes it difficult to explain if you don't really have the basics of approaches down yet.

 

The long and short of it is that you cannot hand-enter any RNAV approaches and legally fly them (real world, of course).  Since this has RNAV segments (for any point prior to MASAB), that portion is required to exist in the database.  If it doesn't, you have to select another approach.  Of course, with Sion, you really don't have another option.  That in mind, again, probably not a good approach to be flying until you have a better understanding of approaches in general.

 

Despite that, I'll explain a little further so you can come back to it later:

The STAR brings you to GRANA.  At GRANA, you fly outbound to GS601, then to GS602.  You then fly a 25 degree bank at less than 210 knots from GS602 until you intercept the LOC (which, by the way, the approach is called an "IGS" but the actual equipment is simply an ILS array with a steep glideslope).  After intercepting the LOC, maintain 17000 until you pass MASAB (which can be identified at 27.3 DME, or, though I can't tell for sure as the Swiss charting standard seems to be different, glideslope intercept).  Follow the LOC and GS just as you would any other ILS.

 

 

 

 

Approaches are never to be hand-entered into FMCs.  If you do, it can be used for cross reference only, while flying raw data.

 

If you're going to write your own procedures, the PMDG NAVDATA folder has a few read me files that explain, I think (if not, take a look at the existing data and use that as a format).  I don't recall it being too difficult, though I haven't looked at the data since about 2006.

Thanks for the advice Kyle, very much appreciated. I'll watch that video for sure! One question I do have is how would you know when you are at GS602, as far as I can understand and see there is no way to measure or gauge when you're 7-8nm away from GS601... or does the 25 degree turn at 210 start at GS601?

I flew this approach more or less daily in the NGX and did for years...so the approach is engraved into my brain. I tryed to find the chart i have here (Dated NOV 06) on google but no luck.

 

the approach can be entered into the fmc by hand and then saved for future flight - meaning you dont have reprograme it.

 

The approach is as follows :

 

Fly to 'FRI' VOR (110.85)...then fly headin 175,

 

Tune MOT VOR (115.85) and intercept radial 086 (Left turn) to the VOR (17000ft at MOT VOR). Pass the VOR and follow the 086 radial for 25 DME. At 25 DME you need to be at 210 kts to make the LEFT turn to intercept radial 246 SIO VOR (112.15) around 30DME. Waypiont MASAB is at SIO246, 28DME, Then waypiont ALETO (26DME SIO), then pick-up the IGS 25, 108.35 and follow it down.

 

FMC :

 

FRI

SANET

MOT (17,000ft!)

MOT086/25 (speed : 210)

MASAB

ALETO (16,000ft!)

 

Then you could make waypionts from the sio VOR:

 

SIO066/26...will make a waypiont and you should intercept the LOC, and GS there.

 

I would like to add i have Swiss pro and sion X and pick the ILS/IGS up from 16000ft

Thanks Maddogz. I also have the Sion X scenery. I think I have found the approach you are talking about in the scenery folder.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f96zly6ar4byubx/LSGS_RWY25_IGS.pdf

This makes it much easier to understand and fly the approach but raises further questions! Which approach is the right one (or more true to the RW)

I assume the one I posted in the OP is the latest (it also matches the one from vacc.ch) but makes things more difficult (also the ILS freq is different) whereas the old one from 06 is easier to understand...

Gotcha.

 

I'll spare the RW diatribe about hand-entering approaches and how they need to be in the database.  This one's simple enough that one might as well just fly it in raw data...

It may be simple to you but not to me. I'm just trying to learn as most approaches i've done so far have all been in the FMC database.

How would I hand fly it as there isn't a VOR or NDB for reference. I can get to GS601 no probs using the FIX page in the FMC at GRANA and then I can turn to 063 degs towards GS602 but then how do I workout how far i've travelled (in nm) from GS601 until I need to make the turn at GS602? Also do I assume the IGS extends as far out towards GS603 so I know when to turn onto the localiser?

Moving on from that Kyle, could you give me an example of a more complicated approach that would need to be hand entered and is there a good guide for writing my own procedures?

Thanks guys

Dan

There is one thing with Sion...

 

it has quite a strong set of IGS antennae. A bit too strong for FS... you cannot force the simulator to get the signal up where it should be IRL. It will only catch on somewhere like 2-3 miles past ALETO.

 

I have made this approach in PMDG navdata format a while back, I could try and send it to you when I get home.

 

Beware that GRANA is NOT a part of the inbound route IGS approach. It is ONLY a part of G/A procedure, that happens to be collocated with the IGS. 

Thanks Fabo,

Yeah if you could send it to your procedure that would be fab, but I'd also like to learn how to program the FMC to do these more advanced procedures. If GRANA is not part of the IGS approach how would one perform it properly in the NGX?

Can't you select it off of the DEP/ARR page?  If you don't know how to do that, then I'd suggest a run through the tutorials.

Hi Kyle,

It doesn't have the approach programmed into the nav data...At least it didn't come up when I selected it. I am using the latest nav data

Hi there,

Does anyone have (or know if one is available) an updated afcad for Sion X that adds a gate to park a 737/A320 there. The one included is just for GA aircraft.

Hi Walter,

Ok i will try this later on today. Is there a reason for doing this?

I'm using a USB headset

I'm also having problems with Voxatc 6.34 stalling. It has been fine for the 5-6 flights that I've used it until today where i kept having to disable and enable the program. Its very frustrating. Everything seems OK but then you notice how quiet everything is and there are no contrails and you can't select any options from the menu :-(

Anyone?

Does anyone else have any other idea's to try and get this working? Is there a command I can test that will confirm for sure I have SP1c installed and it is working (I'm 99.99% certain its installed)

Thanks for the review, certainly helpful. I am keen on th CS but the reports of bugs does put me off a bit.

Is the QW757 any good. Am tossing up between this and CS757

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is any software available that can monitor specifically fuel flow/usage over all phases of a flight, for example, fuel burn during taxi, takeoff, climb, cruise etc

Hi David,

The power shouldn't matter, I was just being lazy while i tested things, co-pilot should still flick the switch regardless.

I'm just testing your flows now.

Thanks

Dan

Unfortunately your flows didn't work either

This is peculiar behaviour.

 

In the NGX700_MCE "Pre-Flight Overhead procedure" the flow states "Galley Power On". 

 

Try downloading my "ngx700_mce_scripts from the Avsim website and use the pre-flight overhead flow from there. It works on my 700 NGX.

 

What's puzzling is that if it works on your 800/900 and/or 600 it should work on the 700. Surely the NGX code in the SDK is the same for all the models, once the update patch is in place? :huh:

 

Sometimes I say "arm" instead of on and get the "On" action. I cant think of anything else?

 

Best Regards

David

Hi David,

I couldn't find your NGX flows on avsim only 707 ones.

I tried using arm instead of on but no luck unfortunately.

I did try reinstalling both patches and both said I had the latest version. I'm pretty sure i'm up to date as some switches which are PMDG exclusive are working such as testing fire detection, testing gpws warnings, testing oxygen, setting alternate flaps etc....

Here's a video to further illustrate my issues with galley power and cross-feed switches:

Commands suggested above are correct

 

Try "right recirculating fan on/off", "left recirculating fan on/off"

 

If galley control is working with 800 & 900 series and not the 700 chances are you forgot to install SP1C for the 600-700 series (It's a separate install to the one provided for 800 & 900).

 

Also, with all NGX variants, it's important not to start MCE until aircraft has finished initializing. I mean countdown in green bar down to zero.

 

The NGX is interfaced via the PMDG SDK, that's why you have to make sure it has the required SP1C and that it's ready when MCE tries to connect to it.

Hi Gerald,

I've tried updating the NGX to SP1c for both 600/700 and 800/900 and for both it says the I have the latest version installed.

I've updated MCE to latest version and waited for NGX to finish initializing before starting MCE.

I still can't get the swiches to switch for Galley power..

I've used:

utility bus one on

Thanks John,

I have tried all those commands but still can't get it to work on the 737-700. The recirculating fan doesn't seem to work either dispite the copilot reading the command back to me,,,,I've fired an email to FS++.

Thanks

Dan

Hi John,

Unfortunately that didn't seem to work :-(

Dan

Hi guys,

Anyone know the command to switch on the Galley power in the 737-700NGX. The co-pilot seems to recognise the command but doesn't actually flick the switch. I have a feeling she might be thinking she's in the 737-800 where there are two switches (CAB/UTIL and IFE/PASS). Which raises a further question: What are the commands for these two switches too??

Thanks

Dan 

Addressing the GSX ramp agent by name worked a treat, thank you!!

Hi Guys,

I'm having problems using GSX with MCE. The only thing GSX ever seems to wants to do is push me back!

If i say "Ground Request Catering" it thinks I've said "Ground push straight" etc. It seems to interact with the GSX menu fine when I do actually want to push back but for all other commands it either doesn't work or thinks I've requested push back. The co-pilot commands work flawlessly so not sure its a voice issue (i've done the speech training about five times now! Fed up of it!)

Another example is if I request fuel, "ground request fuel," the co-pilot seems to pick this up as a command to her but nothing happens anyway. I can request ground power too and this seems to work with ground.

Any ideas, i'm using the PMDG737NGX and i've set ground services in mce.ini to GSX but that didn't seem to help.

Thanks

Dan

I've tried this but still can't see my added aircraft...