killerbee1958

Hi All I ordered, and installed succesfully, VoxATC 7.42 into my fresh P3D V4.5 installation. All working fine. I do however have the VoxATC V6 disc still with the UK enhancement. Is it possible, and worth it, to install the UK enhancement from that disc into my new 7.42 installation?

I ordered VoxATC v 7.42 on 14/01 around 08.00 CEST through the RC website and received my keys in about 3 hours. So, website is still alive and response is fine in my opinion.

Although i am fairly happy with VoxATC on P3D V3.3.5 i did notice lately that the air traffic controller is deteriorating. Today in a approach to Gatwick (EGKK) the controller caused twice a serious separation incident by directing an AI pilot and myself to steer towards each other instead of separting us properly. This was not the first time btw. I have in the last 4 weeks encountered more separation incidents then ever before. Also i noticed the taxiway lightning is not bright anymore in P3D (but i remember vaguely this is caused by something else i can not find anymore) So although i will keep using VoxATC for the time being i am more and more hoping a new release will fix this kind of very irritating bugs. And Tegwyn, if your are reading this i am more than happy to test the new release also with above in mind

I am not against a update fee for 7.0 but i have to admit this lack of reliable communication does not help. There will probably be a P3D V3.4 of V4.x soon and then what? I am certainly not against paying for support. Not getting it is more of an issue. And this from someone who succefully installed voxatc 6.52 in P3D V3.3.5 without any support. I admit loving voxatc but the current lack of reliable information migth lead in my case to choosing a different package.

Due to the move of P3D to a newly bought SSD i had to redo the whole installation of P3D including addon's (amongst which VoxAtc). Without wanting to frustrate anyone with different results here but i managed again to properly install VoXatc 6.52 on P3D 3.3.5 with the migration tool active. I have done one testflight in Europe with Voxatc properly guiding me from startup to shutdown. I too am looking forward to V7 (if indeed it will happen) but given the proper working of 6.52 now, i hope the pricetag of the upgrade is right for me. Sofar i can live with Voxatc working as it is. If required i can help in trying to find out why it is it works with me and for others. I have P3D and VoxAtc both installed on the SSD now which is not my OS drive.

Hi Mike, Thanks for the quick response. So not yet in PF3. Guess i will wait for it to be implemented before trying. In the meantime still very happy with VoxAtc on P3D V3.1. No oceanic frequency issues flying in europe sofar.

Just looked at some vid's on youtube for PF3 but no demo seems to use voice recognition. The info on oncourse website tells me PF3 is configurable for voice recognition but somehow the vid's all use keypresses? Why? Anyone tried to use standard Microsoft windows 10 voice recognition yet to control PF3? Have not yet been able to try it myself. WIll do so later but interested to hear experiences. Voice recognition is a big prereq for me for any ATC program.

Pilot2ATC looks promising from their website. It seems a full functional version is downloadble and usable for 15days. I wil try to find some time to test this weekend. @Supersym: Have you tried the full functional demo or are you waiting for someone else to do it for you?. :wink:

i do not want to start a long principle discussion on, also because i do not know what exactly is behind VoxATC as a business but i think we should always consider that some of the great addon's we use in our hobby (it is a hobby isn't it? so no life threating things happen when an installer is not updated asap?), is supplied by good willing hobbyist like ourselves. Perhaps the developer has a family urgency, or his real life job, which he needs to support his family, is taking all his time at the moment. I met the developer some years ago during a flight sim event and i THINK he is indeed a single professional behind this wonderfull piece of software. Like you, i prefer my updates yesterday instead of today and would have liked the installer to have been fixed already. But considering i bought this software some six years ago (for indeed a steep price which it was worth at that time) and that the developer still updated his product (free of charge) last year to support P3D V2 makes me a very happy client. Having to buy EMT (!2 euro's0 to make it work in P3D V3 was a very small investment i easily justified for myself. Having set the config right once removes the need to use the tool everytime. So that's my take on the lack of response, Feel free to have another opinion. I am not trying to force you into this thinking but perhaps some of you can give it a thought and give the developer some time to respond.

Oke, i have bought myself the migration tool and indeed the install with this tool worked perfect. I also have the UK enhancement and although it mentions issue with the serial i believe this is properly installed also again. I have not been able to test a complete IFR flight but startup went fine. VoxATC window back in Prepar3d V3.1 and it is possible to enable and conversate with ground. So i guess it is all properly working. Will try a complete flight later when everything is configured properly again.

I too am in the process of reinstalling all add'ons into P3D V3.1 VoxAtc is a must have for me. I had already deleted P3D V2.5 and was not able to install V2.5 again as the installer notes a newer version is already installed on that PC. I have read all of this thread but still unsure how to move on. Can i use buy the Estonian migration tool and install VoXATC using this tool or should i try to install P3d v2.5 on another PC and move certain files some this other PC to the V3.1 PC? Thanks for your advice in advance Fred Koch

I see, but this is also where we differ then basically. I have a triple monitor setup (eyefintiy 5960x 1080) for outside display already and a secondary display to my main computer for fligthplan and some other secondary stuff. Next is a computer to run a display for captain and f/o pfd/nd and it needs probably another card for upper and lower eicas. I am getting nowhere the framerates you are showing (mind you i am still using vc). with ngx best framerate at eham (aerosoft scenery) is around 20-22 fps and with prosim 60 +. Of course this makes sense. Prosim has no cockpit to display so that is a bad comparison. I have completed the build of my mip (simworld) and base (home made mdf structure) so i am about to attach everything toghether and interface throught pokeys cards to prosim

Roar, Although i have already bought the prosim licence i have no issue selling it again if i can make my home cockpit work with the ngx. But the one issue i currently see with this route that there is no ability to attach the screens to a second networked pc. So the only way to go is attaching all hardware to a single pc. Or have you been able to work around this limitation? regards Fred

Hi Roar, I will give it a try this weekend (will be sunday). Is there also a combined mcp-efis script or do you want me to try the mcp only? I have a mcp v2 PP btw.

Roar, I am a bit later this time with testing your excellent work. I have however moved to Prosim737 for my cockpit build so not that active anymore with the pmdg 737ngx. I do however still love to fly it now and then with fs2crew etc so i noticed this thread and downloaded the new software from your side. Here are my results. 1. I had some problems getting OC4BA to work with the new version of sioc. In the end i removed both sioc and OC4BA and started fresh install of sioc and OC4BA and now indeed it is working with sioc 4.3B2. 2. I have flown with the 1.08 scripts and, despites crankpins remark i still noticed lagging digits when turning the dials fast (as an example changing altitude from 6000 to 24000 it will often show a higher altitude but then lower it again in the display and you have to start from the lower level up to the required altitude. Same happens with heading and speed. Note that turning the dials just a bit slower overcomes this problem. (i am running all this on a overclocked (4.5 Ghz) i2600K (for what it is worth). One more remark. Prosim737 interfaces through sioc to the mcp and efis also but has no problems with lagging digits no matter how fast i try to turn the dials. Don't know if this usefull info but thought i bring it up. 3. Noticed the problem with the A/T arm button not showing green on the mcp and downloaded the 1.08b txt but how can i load two config files in sioc.ini (if i put them in sequence with two config file statements it only loads the last) this most be something missing in my understanding of sioc. Tried to read the manuals but could not find an answer to this one. Or should i merge the mcp and efis scripts? Once again thanks for all your excellent work. It was your work that started my home cockpit building experience. Regards Fred Koch

Now i am not a RW pilot either (i have flown gliders) but if you would wake me up at 3AM in the morning my experience with NGx would make me: 1. establish if enough fuel is onboard to divert 2. If so first climb out of the valley to a safe altitude (using terrain info from ND) using the A/P. 3. call up the fmc to find out if i can divert to a airport with a long enough and cat III equiped runway (probably munich or linate) 4. Establish communication with ground to get assisted by a really good capable 737 instructor 5. Perform an autoland on the best possible runway at munich or linate where atc would make sure all other traffic is out of the way. 6. Start the APU before final 7. Have the aircraft come to a halt on autobrake (i would be able to reverse the engines). 8. Put APU on the bus 9. Shutdown engine 1 and 2. 10. evacuate the passengers i guess. Ground services (firedept etc would be ready at the rw anyway). BTW: i couldn't care less about this talk of Company SOP. We are talking here about a emergency where a non trained individual (me) would be required to put the plane down. THe company cant fire me for not following SOP as i was not hired by them at all. Btw: If everything would be really perfect i might ask tower to taxi to a gate but i guess that would never be allowed. And yes this is dreaming. Never will happen as the 737 is flown by a compliment of two and they even take the precaution still not have the same dinner stuff. My guess is however i could pull off 1-10 and my point is that my sim experience would prevent me from trying to do a circle to land on lowi when possible and know how to get to this alternate solution.

Ryan, although it wasn't me quoting the above i do want to react. Thanks first of all for your clear and to the point answer. I am dissapointed that PMDG is not making it possible to run the screens networked but i do agree this is a business decisions and it is PMDG's right to make this decision. You are absolutely right that you deserve it to make money on your investments. I do wonder however what market there would be if PMDG would make a cockpit edition. I for one would certainly buy it but i also understand this is not a proper marketresearch answer. So with regret but with the utmost respect for your decision i will now go ahead and focus on prosim for my cockpit build. i bought many of your products and stil believe you produce the highest quality plane addon's out here. Perhaps in due time the market for this cockpit builder version is increasing and i hope (and i think you will, but again you rightfully first need to be convinced of a proper roi) PMDG will enter this market when viable. Until then: Thanks for all the hours of fun you delivered to me with your products. regards Fred Koch

Pete, i do not have a website (yet). I am thinking of setting one up but need to study how to do that first. You can find my progress on mycockpit.org http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/where-start-building-home-cockpit/23649-starting-build-737-ngx-cockpit-6.html i am not on facebook or any other social media

Hi Pete, I am on the same journey you are. Building a 737 cockpit. The good news is that with the NGX SDK available you are able to interface switches, annunciators, indicators (brake press, yaw, flaps indicator etc) to the hardware of your choice. For outside view i have choosen to go with a eyefinity triple monitor display (5760x 1080) which is currently working flawlessly and with great performance on my main fsx pc. However, unless things have changed recently, it is not (yet) possible to put your displays (PFD/ND/CDU/EICAS etc) on a separate networked PC with the NGx. For me this is a showstopper as i want to set it up with too many displays to want it to be attached to one single PC (i am buidling a dual seat trainer, so i will need a display for captains PFS/ND, F/O's PFD/ND, Upper eicas, Lower Eicas and then also still 2 times CDU.) I have yet to decide what route to take but for now i believe the best solution is to go for Prosim737 with additional the jetstream fly model. This looks like a nice package at a decent price (lower than the ifly cockpit builders edition and more functionality like instructor station and also more supported hardware and future development). But this package does not work with the PMDG 737NGx as PMDG had to do some very high level direct programming to get this beauty to work the way it does. I do not own the IFly 737 so i can not comment on the flight characterics of this bird. I have used it once at a friends place and couldn't get used to handling the switches and knobs but that is not so important for a cockpit builder of course. Good luck in your research and decisions.

I think you are making a basic mistake here. Prosim and PMDG NGx is not a happy marriage. (in fact to put it even more correctly they are not able to live together). I am building a home cockpit myself and sofar i have learnt that indeed interfacing switches/led's etc (albeit with some limitations) is now possible with the use of the released SDK===> FSUIPC===> interfacecards (with their approriate software programming of course like for instance sioc). There is also a thread here on the NGx forum that shows how to undock windows and place them on different monitors however as far as i have read there is one big limitation. These monitors need to be attached to the same PC you are running FSx and the NGx on. So as long as you are indeed intending to run everything on one computer you should be able to do so. But if you are aiming to have the other screens on a different PC (like i want to do), it seems it is not possible. Other forum attendees, please correct me if i am wrong

that's a deal. Mind you, it will take me at least a few months before i am ready to interface my hardware to ngx so i will be more getting from our cooperation than giving. :Thinking: But still if i have info i will share it either here or through pm

Hi Ned, Have you made any progress on this? I have received my sismo glarewings/shields with captain and fo annunciators and sixpacks and am also very interested to learn how to interface these with the pmdg 737NGx. Have you made a choice yet as to what interfacecards you will be using and do you have confirmation these can be read/written to with the current sdk? Looking forward to your answer

I have seen this behaviour also sometimes and i always was able to solve it by given the rudder pedals a full left right swing. If you look at the system display you will see in these cases the rudder is not aligned in the middle. this happens to me sometimes on taxi out also so whether or not this is the same is the question but worth a try

Below this thread you will find often a banner for the jetmax solution, stating it to be working with the pmdg 737NGx. This setup has everyting a cockpit builder is looking for Separate PFD/ND separate EICAs Hardware switches (landing gear, auto brake) Hardware annunciators (landing gear, flaps extension, speedbrake armed, etc) Prebuilt units (MCP?EFIS) They explicitly state in their FAQ this setup works with PMDG 737NGx and this was shortly after the SDK was released. So although i have no knowledge of how this was achieved it goes to show it can be done. I have ordered my mip panels(DST) so i guess i will have to find out how this can be done in a few months from now. I am especially looking for info how to interface the switches and annunciators

I just had another occurance with ICMC just like this. His config worked flawlessly and suddenly it started to fail intermittenly while nothing even changed. I had him connect 5V to the MCP directly (to the power input port on the back) and low and behold everything was working again. So from this thread i really learn that OC modules are very power sensitive and probably best thing to do is find a separate 5 V powersupply and feed the devices by this instead from internal usb power, The usb power is too critical i think. Just my lesson learned. YMMV BTW: OC sells this 5V adapters on their side but if you are building a cockpit you probably have a seperate PC Powersupply installed anyway so might be a good idea to supply the 5V from the 5V PC power rail.