AustinLonghorn

You'll find that's the case at a lot of U.S. Army Airfields (a large number of rotary wing vs. fixed wing). Not a whole lot of traffic vs. KELP: BIF Biggs Aaf (Fort Bliss) Airport (BIF/KBIF) - FlightAware FWIW, there's a cargo/passenger terminal at 31.82967790560581, -106.41061567606184.

Thanks, good to know I'm on the right track! I had a red border of 10 pixels configured for my particular screen (RealSimGear GTN650 is 1920x1080) while fooling around with this. After getting everything in the right spot, what's the consensus on the best way to preserve the P3D window configuration for future flights? (I can't remember if it was possible to preserve undocked screen locations) With the RXP GNS430, I'd been just manually undocking the window and dragging/resizing over to the RealSimGear GNS430, but now with two units (GNS430 + GTN650), and one of them touchscreen, it's more of a pain to do all of this by hand.

Just wondering if the border.size = 2 option followed by locking the undocked window is still the preferred approach for using the RXP GTNs with RealSimGear devices? I tried out: usealtcursor = true ...but ended up with the behavior bjratchf described (the GTN window edges seemingly "stuck" to the mouse cursor and randomly resizing).

Thanks, that's good to know. The SD card issue was the main reason to choose the G500 or the GTN, but if Jepp packages them separately anyway ... Do you have any familiarity with the GNX 375 at all? (probably the newer format?)

Wondering what the optimal device selection is for purchasing occasional navigation data updates through fly.garmin.com? It seems G500 navigation data might be compatible with the RXP-bundled GNS430W/530W trainer, but I also remember seeing something about the GTN6XX series being the better choice? (the latest GTN 6XX trainers inlcude the newer, incompatible format, though?) The most obvious choice - the GNS 430W - uses a non-standard Compact Flash card and USB writer to transfer the updates.

No, it would seem not, which leads me to my next question... Any hints? Was that both the bmap.bin/basemap.bin and worldwide.bin?

Flyboychris1 - mind posting some photos of your setup?

oemlegoem - the bottom of the desk table surface is 28.75" (~ 73cm) from the floor. The Oeveo mounting bracket is 4" high, so the bottom of the Yoko is 24.75" (~ 63cm) from the floor. Legs sit underneath the yoke and clearance is fine for use of rudder pedals. If you sit too close, the yoke would touch your legs at the stops, but this is what happens in the real aircraft (C172).

The replacement yoke arrived, and all the buttons / axes are working fine! As for a correlation between the condition of the box and the yoke contained within, the replacement yoke's box had a huge hole in the side, so go figure. This yoke needed to go under the desk to sit at the correct height (previous Saitek Cessna yoke was on top of the desk); I found the Oeveo UCM-242 'Under Desk PC Mount' to use a tray. Some horsing around in the pattern with it so far, but it's a big improvement over the Saitek yoke in terms of overall smoothness. Once you're in the air, the bungee cord system is surprisingly good! Oeveo UCM-242 mounting bracket, easy to remove and put the keyboard/mouse tray back in to use the desk for other stuff:

While I'm waiting for the replacement yoke to arrive... The before-opening-the-box anticipation photo: ...and one of the series of photos I sent to VF for diagnostic purposes; the much longer elevator / y-axis travel and the bungee cords are the win over the "alligator + springs" assembly in the Saitek Cessa Pro Flight yoke:

So per Virtual Fly, I double checked all the internal cabling last Thursday and it looks like there's something wrong with the y-axis sensor itself or the USB controller; it's simply not reporting any values for y-axis travel. They have sent another yoke via standard FedEx shipping today, should be here in five days or so.

Wow, disappointed I didn't find that vendor - I looked around for about every yoke in the place.

No, but they have asked me to open it up and see if I can repair it myself.

Virtual Fly is also baffled - they obviously QA them before shipment. I'd reckon shipping damage, too, but the box is in excellent condition. Also, I fixated on "x-axis" row in the P3D calibration window; it's actually the y-axis (elevator) that's not responsive.

So I pulled the trigger on a YOKO Yoke Plus; super-fast shipping and it arrived today! I'm really bummed, though - there's no x-axis movement at all on the device (as if that sensor isn't even connected?), and also some internal grinding noise. The A/P disconnect button assembly was also just dangling out of the device. Going to reach out to Virtual Fly to see what the next step is. Not at all what I expected at this price point.

Concur; I wish the Brunner folks had made the trip to FSExpo, because there were plenty of yokes - Diagma, Honeycomb, Virtual Fly, Redbird, a handful of Saitek Cessna and loads of the regular Saitek/Logitech yokes - to then directly compare against. The CLS-NG unfortunately has half the elevator travel of the CLS-E (which bumps it up to EUR 1,900, d'oh).

I just double-checked my Saitek Cessna yoke, and it definitely hits 90 degrees (just like the real thing).

Couple of (rather grainy, high ISO) photos from FSExpo of the Yoko+ PLUS yoke: This is at the stops (doesn't hit 90 degrees like the Saitek Cessna yoke, for example). Installed into their Solo A setup. New hat switch on the left (and also available in a "first officer" edition, with the hat switch on the right). Side profile, installed into one of their panels. It's a preeeetty smooth yoke, I'll have to say.

Thanks for the heads up on the Thrustmaster contest. Seems Redbird will also be at the FlightSimExpo, but haven't seen any mention of Brunner so far (for side by side comparisons of all the yokes).

Have definitely considered that, but hotel, airfare, etc., is about $600 I could spend toward a new yoke :)

Thanks; that's a helpful review! Not sure about the dismissal of force feedback controls later in the thread; the discussion gets derailed with complaints about "force feedback joysticks", and not really with how the Brunner CLS-E stacks up against the new Yoko+ (if you're going to spend large sums of money on an input device in the first place!).

Looks like the new Yoko+ yoke came out a couple weeks ago... any Avsimmers have one and care to comment?

Just reporting satisfactory results with a HooToo 9-port HT-UH010 USB 3.0 hub (~ USD$30 on Amazon) and these devices all connected to the hub: RealSimGear GNS430 Thrustmaster TPR pedals Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant Saitek Pro Flight Radio Panel Saitek Pro Flight Cessna Trim Wheel Windows 7, ASUS H97 Plus motherboard, hub plugged into a USB 3.0 port on the motherboard. I wanted a non-bus-powered USB hub, so that when power was removed from the hub, the devices would truly be disconnected from the host (don't want the whole radio stack, GNS430, etc., powered up all the time when the PC isn't being used for flight sim stuff). This hub fit the bill and seems to work fine. Flights in P3D of about 45 minutes or so (KAUS-K11R at about ~ 110 KTAS as an example).

Yeah, totally agree... I'm glad I'm not the mechanical engineer getting random feedback from "Teh Internets!1!" on how one should design and produce a simulator yoke to satisfy all :)

I suppose it'd be more of the PTT placement on the yoke; C172R and C172S models put the MIC/PTT switch on the 'back' side of the yoke instead of on the top? C172S yoke in LN-FTD https://imgur.com/a/QIAnVJp C172R yoke (finger resting on PTT) in N652MA https://imgur.com/a/Fmri0SZ The older C172N/M models at KAUS have a PTT velcroed wherever, so I guess it's whatever you're used to :)