Hi Ken,I think there's more to it than that. In general, software customers seem to be a very uncritical bunch, willing to put up with sub-par products and restrictive licensing terms and technologies that defy any consumer protection legislation (I'm NOT talking about PMDG here, this is just a very general observation). Imagine you've bought a book, and now you'll have to write to the author to request a special solution that will make the ink on the pages visible. Of course, this will only work in your living room, so you can forget about reading in bed... How ridiculous does that sound? But this is exactly what software companies are doing.I wonder, how many sales were lost due to such technology? In the case of Captain Sim, I know of at least one potential customer they didn't sell to - me :). I didn't look around for a crack, I just make do without the 727. However, now that it is available on CD, I might reconsider (provided, the CD doesn't require activation as well). I see a very strong potential for potential customers to adopt a very defiant attitude along the lines of 'If they treat their customers like criminals anyway, I might as well become one and use the pirated version'. And this would help no-one.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

>Well I guess it all depends on your definition of "minor>inconvience." :-)>>Also, I'm not sure how many customers are out there that would>say "well I really WANT to pay for this, but since there is>activation I'll go get the crack instead." Methinks they>don't want to pay in the first place...IMHO.Well I guess it all depends on your definition of "want" :-)I guess a lot of people "want" to keep a good conscience and to remain honest - they don

In the end when people figure what a pain this new system is that you are using , there will be greater loss in the long run than now.I have always tried to support payware companys that do great work but I will not buy something that someone will control how I use it. When the cd comes out of this, how will you protect that from being pirated because someone will get that and give to all the people he knew that did not want to buy it because of this issue. I really hope that there will be a better way and that the rest of the FS payware companys don't go this route because I will stop buying all of them.Just like Gosta I did not buy Captainsim 727 and neither did my bro, so I know right there is almost a 100.00 lost. I am sure you will have a great plane but I am sure someone will come out with a ng sooner or later and will not require a DNA sample just to reinstall!!Jason Dellarusso

I think it all depends on what your definition of 'is' is ;-)

Jason- and everyone else:Simple question:FS-COF (FS2004) features Safedisc protection.Will you buy it?If you answer YES, then your whole point and argument just got thrown out of the window.Cheers,

> Lefteris- Jason- and everyone else:> Simple question:> FS-COF (FS2004) features Safedisc protection.> Will you buy it?> If you answer YES, then your whole point and argument just got thrown out of the window.Well yes I will because I will install it on my both of my computers and take the disk to which one I will be playing on. So if you released a cd version and I had to run it with the disk I would install it on both computers and I will have backup right there. As your system stands now I can not do that, I can only have it on 1.Jason Dellarusso

Jason --You just admited to the forum that you intend to commit a crime.

Um-Jason-have you SEEN our system yet? ;-) I am not sure you have, we haven't released it yet! So please don't go making assumptions about how things work, just yet... ;-)Thanks,

ba747heavy wrote-> Jason --> You just admited to the forum that you intend to commit a crime. I know that if you intend to use the CD on more than one computer it is agaisnt the license agreement. I also feel that is bull.... because I bought it with my money and as long as I am the only one using it then oh well what the agreement said.Jason Dellarusso

i understand that measures need to be taken to protect oneself from piracy, but i have never heard anyone else say what you are suggesting. it is ridiculous to think that someone would purchase multiple copies of an fs add-on merely to be able to run it on their current setup. you really think someone will buy 2 or more copies of 737ng? i'm sure it's an incredible plane but that's a bit arrogant on your part don't you think? i'll buy it either way, but only one.Andre Weil

Jason --I agree, complete bull. However, just because you feel it is bull doesn't make it any less of a crime to do what you said you will do.Food for thought.

Hi Fred,it's only a crime, if a criminal statute expressly says it is. In the case of licence agreements, they fall under contract law (which also governs the enforceability of the clauses of the 'licence' - you'd be surprised, how many of those can be safely ignored), and the contracting parties are the developer/publisher and the customer, not the customer's computer. Therefore, the customer has the right to use the software for his personal enjoymnet, no matter, on how many different computers this takes place consecutively. Note that Jason does not intend to play FS2004 simultaneously on two computers. Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

Lefteris:That's a crappy comparison to say the least. If I buy FS2004 and my PC goes bust, I install it again. If I go to grandma's, I can install it on her computer! I can take it wherever I wish. Your NG has a "one system" concept much like CS (you said it, no assuming there) and by the sounds of it, only one installation? I don't know. Just like I praise you guys out loud here on the forums, I feel I must voice my opinion about something I dislike. My experience could be restricted by measures to stop pirates (that you can't stop anyways), and that annoys me, sorry.Sincerely,Daniel Pimentel

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't license agreements like for FS2004 etc usually pertain to simultaneous use on multiple systems and not merely the fact that it's installed on two systems. I mean, let's say you have two homes, one in oh CA, and one in NYC - you have a computer in both places - obviously you wouldn't be flying the NG on both at the same time if you went between houses throughout the year etc. I don't see why there should be any problem with that...Lefteris, what about implementing some way to transfer the licence between computers? Like you run a util that creates a key file that will enable the NG on another machine, BUT disable on the one you're on right then - this would be very cool and would allow you to take the plane to a friends house to show it off etc without anything not being paid for...Ryan

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