You know Mr Crvm, don't threaten me.... you got a weird way of looking at things.... Stirring up trouble.... I don't think so.... Giving my opionon as to the countless queries as to why people can't make the FMC work..... You got a lot of nerve....

"....but the on some NGs there is a option to delay G/S capture until localizer capture)."Probably introduced because some pilots were arming APP without first checking the local terrain (a hazard as Clayton suggested) ;-)I suggested arming APP straight up on another forum (not being a pilot) and got shot down in flames by the real pilots for doing so. If you capture the G/S first, this could be classified as a botched official approach (especially if you've not yet had clearance to descend). I now believe this technique should only be used in the FS world.Re terrain... You may notice that on some approach charts that specific RA heights are given at the markers. These will of course be invalid if you are approaching at an angle. You need as many cues as possible to confirm that you have not captured a false glideslope signal. This may be one of them ;-)Cheers.Ian.

All one has to do is read your last post(s) to settle your innocent claims. Your opinon is to tell them that it does not work but you forget to mention that it does not work for YOU. It works fine for me and many pilots here? Hum you are right, I do have some nerve ;) [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

"Set SPD and HDG SEL before APP and you will find this doesn't happen ever again"You may not have said it Randy, but it's good general advice anyway ;-) LNAV is not the ideal mode for intercepting the LOC. LNAV track is based on the FMC's estimation of where you are. FMC position is based on IRU position and radio position. If these are in error, you could end up with Map shift. If Map shift is present, LNAV may line you up parallel with the LOC without actually capturing the LOC (running the same terrain risks as with arming APP straight up).Having said that, PMDG is fitted with GPS and, as such, has greatly reduced the possibility of Map shift (in areas of good GPS reception).I haven't checked our 737NG manuals, but there is a warning about Map shift in our 747-400 manuals (and, if I remember correctly, in our 767 manuals) in relation to what modes to use for approach.Hope this helps.Cheers.Ian.

Well i know a friend who is a captain for Virgin Blue here in Australia, i just rang him and he was busy painting the back deck at his house :-lol he said to call him later,i am gonna ask him why my 737 goes to N1 automatically on approach :-loland whats the correct procedures to land. :-)

:-lolI said it, and for good reason ;)I'm pretty grey on how the GPS gear fits into the IRS world, but as Ian posts, sounds like it will negate that threat to a great extent, but still, it is a much safer way of dealing with an approach with you in complete control knowing that your heading and airspeed are not going to deviate at all.Lateral Navigation works on FIXES (virtual points in space).Heading Select coupled with Speed fixed is going to give you a rock solid stable aircraft for transition to the approach. It your autopilot bites the dust, you have a stable plane to recover with, not a weaving diving mess. It only makes sense.It is also much easier to transition onto a parallel runway just by dialing in some offset. Try that with LNAV running the show ;)The other clear point is only a blind man can not see that HDG SEL is still green as opposed to LNAV vs LOC on a cluttered screen...Ray

Well Ray,i did speak to my pilot friend, he had no idea why N1 was coming on, just as well i think, i dont think he has ever experienced such a thing in real life, and not want to,he did tell me to ensure the APP button is pressed first, and that it is used to also safely navigate the plane down to landing,he said he never uses full autoland here in Australia, has he is not allowed to, he manually controls the plane from 500'.in the mean time, i did a flight from ksfo to koak and following your instructions and using SPD MCP and ALT HOLD, and pressing only the APP button i did a full complete autoland on 27R, which was spot on.However as you can see the flap reference speeds do not show on the HSI until i go a level down on the flaps, so really i dont know when to start deploying flaps, its all guess work.AS you can see on the bottom pick I do not know when the next flap setting is due (at what speed)http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/36057.jpgBut then as soon as i choose FLAP 1 (by pressing the F key on the keyboard - a little number appears and tells me when i should put the next flaps down (FLAP 1), it never tells me before hand.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/36056.jpg

Hi Clayton, Allow me to jump in here: What is indicated on teh speed tape is actually the minimum operating speed with the indicated flap settings. That means that in the top picture the UP indication tells you that under the give conditions of the aircraft (weight etc), minimum clean speed is just below 200 kts. The next picture shows that the minimum speed for flap at 1 degree is just below 180 kts. Or in other words, you can operate the aircraft with flaps at 1 degree in the speed range from just below 200 kts to just below 180 kts. So, to cut a long story short, the number indicated on the speed tape is the lowest speed at which the flap setting shown on the tape can be used. Note also, that the indications are for UP, 1, 5 and so on -- there is no indication for 2 degrees of flap.Hope this helpsBoaz

hi Boaz,yes i am well aware of this, but the problem i have is that the numbe (1) DOES NOT come on till AFTER i press the F key for the flaps, so i never pressed the F key for a drop in FLAP i would never have know the FLAP 1 setting, isnt the number supposed to be there BEFORE i drop the flaps, like should it not tell me the next FLAP setting and at WHAT speed in the HSI, BEFORE i drop the flap?

Hi again Clayton, Right off the top of my head, I can't remember. I am currently at work so I will have to check when I get home later today. I assume, however, that UP will always be indicated. VREF must be selected via the FMC to be either FULL or 35 degrees or what ever you want to use as setting.Boaz

Well anyway i just did a flight from KSFO to KLAX and the autoland and GS intercept was perfect, however the frame rates are horrible, anyone else getting such dispicable frame rates?

Clayton, While you had your friend on the phone you should have asked him about flap bugs for landing. I get great frame rates by the way... [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

Ray,wanna swap planes? :-lolby the waywhat drivers you using for for G Force Card?

"isnt the number supposed to be there BEFORE i drop the flaps, like should it not tell me the next FLAP setting and at WHAT speed in the HSI, BEFORE i drop the flap?"When decelerating, Clayton, I think it's more logical that you set the flaps first before reducing speed for that flap setting.When approaching the airport, if ATC permits, reduce your speed to the UP setting, then move the flap lever to 1 unit, then reduce your speed to the Flap 1 setting. Then move your flap lever to the next setting. As 2 is not shown... don't know why... perhaps you could go straight to 5 units, then reduce your speed to the speed to the Flap 5 speed setting. Remember these are recommended flap manoeuvre speeds... they are neither maximum speeds nor minimum speeds.I must admit, I have trouble understanding why, during climbout, using PMDG, there is only one flap speed (not including the UP marker). On the 747-400, the current flap speed and the next flap speed markers are shown during takeoff, so when you are accelerating, you know what speed it is safe to fly at and when to select the next flap setting. On the 767, I recall that the next flap setting speed is shown (although, admittedly, I'm a bit rusty on that one). It doesn't make sense, to me, to show the current flap setting only during acceleration. Is this the way the real aircraft works?Thanks.Cheers.Ian.

Not really sure one way or the other as to what should be marked on the speed tapes, but if you scroll way back up to my original reply, you will notice I said set 220 for your speed which is Flaps UP + Nasty winds and will have you at a safe speed to deploy flaps and gear without breaking anything off.Ray