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Guest nandrzej

Search this forum a few days ago. There was a topic that mentioned joystick/yoke throttle calibration.Apparently if your throttle is not calibrated correctly and when you pull the throttle to idle before landing the spoilers will not deploy. This may also affect autobrakes.Check N1 is below 21% when your throttle is at idle when on the ground, if it is above 21% you may have trouble. If it is above 21% push F1 and see if N1 drops, if it does you have some calibration issues.hope this helps, Nick

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Guest Nickman

Make sure the armed light is on because I've been having a problem like that with the spoilers. Seems you have to manually set the speedbrake via throttle window instead of using the shortcut keys.Nick B.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/800driver.jpg--AMD Athlon XP 3200+ @ 2.25 Ghz (405 mhz FSB)Soyo VIA KT600 Dragon PlusnVidia GeForce FX 5200 128 mb2 x 512 PC400100 GB Western Digital

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Guest jjules

I have the same problem, I attempted autoland with auto throttle off and the speed brakes deployed ok! Speed Brakes do not extend though if auto throttle is engaged during landing. Must be the auto throttle causing the problem? Graeme

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Guest SAS784

I've never had any problems with speed brake deployment even though A/T has been engaged during autoland.- Fredrik

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This happened during at least my last flight. Had to pause and struggle with the / key and the lever in the throttle panel to get them down, then unpause - seamless recovery :-rollGeoffrey BaleanCanberra, AU (YSCB)http://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/800driver.jpg"Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. All is well!"Pentium 4 2.4GHZ, P4G8X Deluxe with Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet, 512MB RAM, LG Flatron L1710S 17" LCD, GeForce MX440 Millenium Silver, Creative Soundblaster Audigy, Logitech Speakers, CH Yoke & Rudder, Quantum Fireballp AS30.0 - Basically nothing crash hot :)MSFS 2004 acof, PMDG 737 6/7/8/900, Activesky 2004, Flight One Cessna 152, SquawkBox 2.3 w/ guage, ServInfo 2.2, FS AutoStart, FS Real Time, FSUIPC 3.212 (unreg.:()

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Guest MSMITH6

Hey All-I'm having the same problem. Have calibrated joystick through MSoft, then calibrated through FSUIPC. Have tried the F1 trick. Still no spoiler deployment on landing. What I don't get is why this has even changed since the 600/700? It worked fine then with the keyboard commands. Why do we now have to go to the throttle popup to arm the spoilers? Seems it could be made to work the same as it was, but then again, I'm not a programmer. Can anyone offer an explanation? I would love to see it go back to the way it was.Thanks

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hey Guy's,I've been having the same trouble and here is the fix:even with calibrated yokes, the throttle is never at iddle positionfor FS.- In auto-land mode, make sure to hit F1 key before flare:then the spoilers deploy.- In manual landing, if armed, when you manually reduce to idle,the spoilers will deploy.Whatsoever, if the green light'armed spoilers' dont illuminate, it means the spoilers arent armed. to arm them, only way is to clickwith the mouse - one click only - on the throttle panel.Hope this helps,Arnaud, LFPGAI Aardvark addicted

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Guest filip146

Hi everybody,Nope : F1 key doesn't work for me, neither does the calibration of my Joystick...But try this:Arm spoilers using you mouse (not possible with keyboard).Check if "armed" light is illuminated.Put the spoilers back to DOWN (mouse or keyboard!!) Then check if the light "armed" remains lit (=abnormal in fact). If it does, leave spoilers in DOWN position and land the plane and check if your spoilers were deployed.... Strange but like this it worked for me. Filip

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Guest jase439

Spoiler deployment is spotty at best, even if you calibrate and use F1 to idle the engines. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. The spoilers will easily get into an inconsistent state - especially if you use the spoilers on descent. Unfortunately, there no real way to tell in flight if it's going to work or not. Mucking with spoiler handle at 500' AGL just to see if they're going to work or not is really a non-starter. You should be able to set-it-and-forget-it. Unfortunately, you can't here.J

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Guest nandrzej

Hi GuysI also remeber that throttle must be at idle BEFORE the plane hits the tarmac for the spoilers to auto deploy.cheers, Nick

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I cannot speak for everyone but a few in this thread seem to have a good grip on the situation but let me once again state some facts and clear up some misconceptions:1] You must arm the speedbrakes with your mouse through the throttle quadrant. They are armed very easy this way. 2] If the light ain't on the main panel your speed brakes are not armed.3] To use the speedbrakes (ground or air) simply hit /.4] To retract them on the GROUND simply push /. To retract them in the air push SHIFT /****. ****See note below4]****If they are ARMed for APP and you deploy them like slowing on descent, retraction by "SHIFT /" will put them back to the INITIAL STATE they were (i.e in this case they were ARMed so back to ARMed they go!). I have a question for some of you, do you know that a real world NG pilot can count the number of times on one hand that they use Autoland (FULL) in a year's time? Why would someone have a computer in charge of their THROTTLES on approach and landing? Certainly the A/T cannot react like a pilot if wind etc and at low altitudes. But even if you do why not just leave the A/T ON and SPEED de-selected? This way you have manual control and Alpha protection (SOP might require this) and at 50 RA or abouts hit F1 so by the time you flare you will be at idle. Why? Because it's the way most pilots do it and with all these computer setups configs etc there is no way to know what's really going on. I ALWAYS get the spoilers to deploy and I mean ALWAYS. What does this mean? It means that it cannot work some times (like is claimed here) and not others. I'll say it again ALWAYS DEPLOYS. Funny that during testing I found that I too was not going to idle while testing the full autoland but as soon as I fixed my throttle correctly and MANUALLY pushed the F1 button it never failed me. So I hope this helps some of you ;-)[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |

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Guest jase439

I would agree that the only time the spoilers will deploy - when they deploy - is if the throttles are at idle (via F1). That said, the spoilers still do not consistently deploy even if the throttles are at idle and the joystick is calibrated and the little green annuniciator is illuminated and the spoilers were armed with the mouse and....The whole spoiler thing in the NG is just wonky. The whole /, SHIFT+/ and changing the behavior of those keys depending if the aircraft is airborne or on the ground is far more confusing than it is helpful. Makes it difficult to switch between this craft and others which employ the standard spoiler behavior. I always go to the throttle quadrant and use the mouse to set the spoilers on the NG, so I have some idea as to what the spoilers are doing. I think they tried too hard to dance around MS, and ended up with a cure that's worse than the disease.Just one man's opinion...J :)

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They deploy more than you sign your name to you posts there Jase! You need to read my post clearly once again because you seemed to miss the whole point..[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |

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Guest ntsmith

Cant get a "armed" response in the cockpit either in 2D or 3D. You can select it but no light to say it is armed.

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Guest wee_davie_2612

Hey all,See my post [a href=http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=136&topic_id=49278&mesg_id=49278&page=]here[/a] for my opinion/take/theory on the whole thing.After all, is it not what we all want the game (sorry, simulation :)) to be, as the beaten-to-death phrase goes - 'As Real As It Gets'?:)CheersDavid

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Hello my good dear old friend ;-)Don't you find it abit strange that suddenly after the 800/900 release, everyone has all of a sudden forgot the procedures for how to handle the spoilers/lost their calibration of their flight controls?

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Guest jase439

Shhh...you'll expose the conspiracy *nudge nudge*.

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Guest filip146

Hi Randy,I am very sorry, on the new -800/-900 series when doing an autoland with spoilers confirmed armed (light + lever)THEY DO NOT DEPLOY. On the -600/-700 series: no problems. I had them deployed two times when the armed light was illuminted, but the lever in the DOWN position....For me its a bug, and MUST be fixed by PMDG. I want to be able to make autolands with all systems working. If you use real world weather in FS like I do, you sometimes need it! Filip.PS: Made 6 autolands and 4 CAT II approaches last year, just for info.

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Filip, PLEASE do me a favor sir, Manually move the SPOILERS to ARM (Check lite on main panel) Setup an autland, A/T ON speed de-selected 50' RA make SURE your throttles are MOVED COMPLETELY BACK (Many seem to miss this part) and THEN push the F1 button. Deploy or not? It is NOT a bug plain and simple. If it were a BUG then I certainly would not get them to deploy each and EVERYTIME now would I? [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |

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Hi Randy, glad to hear it's working just fine for you...Just a question - for what reason do you have to press the F1 button now when we never had to do that before the 800/900 release? Obviously something has changed since the 600/700, don't you agree?

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Of course it has changed. It was modelled, or better, not modelled and worked just like the DEFAULT aircraft in the 600-700! I tell everyone to push F1 because not everyone has their joysticks to IDLE on autolands! Once G/S captures the speed window OPENS, so one either keeps spd selected and the AFS is controling it (how many manually position their throttles to idle at this time????) or are manually controlling SPD with throttles (like me) so I set the thrrottles to IDLE and to make sure they really are at idle I hit F1. Now I am not the only one that is able to accomplish this. Funny thing is all one has to do is search our forum for spoilers to see that the default way (remember that is how they worked before the 800-900) was a ISSUE for many too![h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |

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>> Filip,>> PLEASE do me a favor sir,>> Manually move the SPOILERS to ARM (Check lite on main panel)>> Setup an autland, A/T ON speed de-selected 50' RA make SURE>your throttles are MOVED COMPLETELY BACK (Many seem to miss>this part) and THEN push the F1 button. Deploy or not? >> It is NOT a bug plain and simple. If it were a BUG then I>certainly would not get them to deploy each and EVERYTIME now>would I?>> >[h4]Best Wishes,>Randy J. Smith>http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpg>>AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA>@535/1000 | WD SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 |I have just done what you said, it spoilers extended upon touchdown. Great. I don't even need F1 button, which is also great.But a simple question, why do I have to deselect SPD on the MCP in order to get spoilers out? I think it should work even without that! At least it did before... And I think (but am not sure) on the real aircraft, A/T and SPD stay on also until touchdown, if autoland is being performed.

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OK, but how does it work in the real a/c? If I understand this correctly, if you have your throttles at idle when you touch down the spoilers should deploy - right?I have this problem and as you can see in this thread I'm far from the only one. I have just checked my throttle (using a CH flight yoke and pedals) in the configuration program for my yoke and I have absolutely no problem with calibration. Therefor I find it very strange why I have this spoilers problem when I have my throttle all the way back at touch down, don't you think?

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Hi Randy,OK. Been doing some test flying.First, I must correct myself: I stated earlier that I had 2 depoyments of spoilers with "armed" light illuminated, but the spoiler in the DOWN position. WRONG. Thet lever was in the ARMED position. Sorry for this one, my mistake. Probably didn't look at the lever closely enough but it was already past midnight here in Belgium when I posted that, and my eyes were most probably a bit tired ....Secondly. The procedure you mention worked. But, I do not find it a good operating practice. It is not realistic either to depress SPD at 50ft on an autoland (espicially in marginal weather).On my last flight I didn't use the throttle on my joystick - Left it in idle,and used the keyboard instead. A/T on, A/P on, when FLARE mode is initiated (Green on PFD), HOLD F1 key. Touchdown and YES spoilers!! That's the way I'll do it in the future.Question remains, why does it work better on the -600 / -700 series?Filip

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