This can take hours, just read all the manuals and from my understanding all of the flight plan needs to be done manually that can take a long time.Anyone?Regards from Joe p.s. Just bought it, read all of it and now going to do my 1st flight!!

Yes, however, if you fly a jet airway. You only need to enter the VORs, it will fill in the intersections automatically. Any direct waypoints must be entered though. Make sense?

Who says a route has to comprise a myrid of wpts? Hell I have heard of rl pilots getting a DIR TO half way across the US! As was mentioned, inputting jet airways into the route (you define the points) will create all of the individual wpts along that airway. So even though on the rte page you only see something like VIA ..........TO J125 .........ETG there might be many more that will show individually on the LEGS page.Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]I WANT MY 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)

So what your saying is i now need maps of where i want to fly to get that info right?Or what about a program like fsbuild???

FSBuild is nice, but I never use it. It's a little confusing at first, so you'll need to read the tutorial they have online. I've never been able to get it to account for my fuel with the NG either. As far as creating and importing flight plans into the NG, it works fine. The only thing I don't like is you either autogenerate a route or use a pre-defined one. You don't have a map per se to manipulate like FS Navigator or even the default planner.That said, I use real high altitude IFR en route maps I buy from the local private airports. There's three for the US. Then I buy these little FAA approach booklets that include a couple states worth of airports for the places I like to fly. I don't however have anything for outside the US, so I just use MSFS planner or FSBuild. The paper maps a pretty cheap and work great though.And Randy is correct about direct routing. Most of the waypoints airliners use are the SID or STAR procedures, and even those aren't followed to the letter a lot of the time. The ATC here just vectors planes in to the same areas for the runway they'll be using. I listen to the ARTCCs for my area and the carriers often say one or two waypoints, then direct to an airport that's their destination.

So what do you suggest i do for now i mean i want to fly i don't want to get maps yet as i fly everywhere and anywhere i want to auto generate a flight plan like the default fs9 one to load up in the fmc is this possible??

Well, your best bet would be FSBuild, but it's pricey. It is a nice program though, no question. Other than that, you can use the FS9 planner and just edit a lot of the waypoints out by deleting them from the plan. The first waypoint in FS9 is often a VOR at the airport. That right there is dumb, so remove it from the plan. Just use the first VOR in the plan that isn't the airports own VOR. I would just click VOR-to-VOR when you build one and that way you don't have to worry about the intersections. Just enter a few VORs from the plan and go from there. There might be a VOR rather close to your destination airport as well, so delete it from the plan since your approach runway selection in the FMC will have its own waypoints to follow (e.g., STARs). Don't file the flight plan with MSFS though, unless you want those silly vectors to final. Most of us just fly without filing a flight plan in the sim so it's more realistic.You can't import MSFS plans into the FMC though, so you'll have to enter it manually. That's why I suggest only using a few VORs and not filing the flight plan. Less to enter this way. As soon as you're close enough to the airport to contact its tower request a full stop landing.FSBuild does have an export/import feature though, so you can just autogenerate and it will be there for you to pick in the FMC.

Well remember in RL that airlines have dispatchers who create flight data for your flight, fuel-CI-CRZ ALT etc etc TIME. All you do is enter it into the FMC and always DEMAND more fuel than the flight requires lol....So fsbuild in fact is a GREAT DEAL and does a GREAT JOB at what this fellow is asking for. Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]I WANT MY 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)

1 st of all thank you for helping me out.Now from what i understand atc won't know i have an IFR flight plan if not created within fs9, as far as fsbuild goes i have it isn't it free? I tried importing the flight plan and it worked in the fmc but it won't load it I'm just able to see it.

You're correct Randy, FSBuild is a nice program. I just prefer using paper and filling inmy own data. Makes it more fun I guess :)Also, I can never seem to figure out the fuel part of it, even though I've followed the directions for the NG. And yes, I forgot about the free FSBuild, but I'm not sure what it doesn't include. It's just an older version i think? As for importing it into the FMC and it not working I'm not sure why?

What do you mean by seeing it but not loading it?

I'm able to click on Nav Data and then flt plans, I see it in my list but it doesn't load.

Here, I took this from the FSBuild forums. It was posted by the creator of FSBuild just a few days ago:You need to tell Fsbuild the locat1on of your home FS2004 folder (ie the directory where the fs9.exe file is located). You can to this on the Options / Export Directories page. 1) Select the 'Options' folder on the left.2) Select the Export Directories tab on the bottom.3) Select the FS2000/02/04 item on the table/grid on the right.4) Press the 'Browse' button, and browse for the locat1on of your main FS2004 folder (ie where your FS9.exe file is located).5) Press the 'ok' button.6) Select the 'Settings' tab on the bottom.7) Press the 'Save Config Options' button on the right. 8) Shut down Fsbuild, and then restart for the new settings to take effect. 9) Select a Flight Plan to build. 10) Go to the 'Export To' folder on the top and select the 'PMDG' menu item. 11) Press the 'Build' button to build the flight plan. At the end of the build it will be exported to your 'FS2004/PMDG/FlightPlans'. A popup window will display confirming the exact name and locat1on of the PMDG file. Don't forget steps 7, and 8, as it will not work unless the settings are saved and the program is re-started. You do not specify the PMDG folder, as the the PMDG folder must always reside in your FS2004 directory tree, so Fbuild will know where your PMDG folder is after you set the locat1on of your FS9 folder.

Let me know if that helps.

Did all that still doesn't seem to read it!!