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Hello everyone, Well,i would appreciate if someone could help me to enter routes in fmc.I ve created flt pln with fs build 2 and i cant manage to enter the routes but only way points.Here s what i do:create flt pln from lfpo(Orly) to lfbd (Bordeaux) i first enter both sid an star.Star PTV9v ends at ptv and then i should fly to pirog way point which is on rte un 857 so i enter pirog on lsk right and get "direct" on lsk left then when i want to replace direct by un857 i get

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Yvon,When you start up the FMC, it should tell you which AIRAC cycle is in use. If the route you want is not in that AIRAC, then you can't use it.Steve

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Thank you for your answer.Yes,FMC confirms it' s working with 0506 aircacs.It is amaizing that it recognizes the route un 857 if entered alone into

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Thank you for your reply,yes i have 0506 airac in fmc,but as i said in another message in fact,route un 857 is known in fmc database as it comes on an empty left lsk line but won t live with a way point!!!very strange but in the meantime plane will unfortunately not fly or at least over this route... Cheers, Yvon

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Yvon,It looks like you are caught up it the problem of the database in MSFS is about 5 years old and the new AIRAC Cycle and SIDSTAR files for PMDG are up to date. The new cycle will have all the changes made in the last five years. Also all the airports are not in the SIDSTAR database. I could not find LFPO so there is no SID in the database unless you add it from a download from NAVDATA or other source. There are procedures for LFPO at http://www.navdata.at/php/sidstar/dl_list.php PIROG is not in the wpNavRTE.txt file as a part of UN857 or any other airway.I hope this at least explains why you are having a problem.

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Thank you Glen for your reply.Well,in fact i have downloaded both sid and star for lpo and lfbd and had them copied into pmdg,fmc knows them then.But the problem is biggest than i thought because i cannot select any route with way point except with tutorial flight eddh/eddm!Perhaps shoud i re-install pmdg ? Yvon

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Well,this should be nice if one of you could try to enter following flt plan in his pmdg 737 800 fmc and report if he met any problem . Dep LFPO ORLY FRANCE ARR LFBD BORDEAUX FRANCE LFPO PTV9V SID PTV UN857 LMG LMG4 LFBDattn lfpo star to be downloaded from navdata.at Thank you for your help. Yvon

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Yvon,The fix PTV is not a part of UN857. LMG is.Look in the file wpNavRTE.txtIt is inC:Program FilesMicrosoft GamesFlight Simulator 9FMCWPNAVDATAin my system.Search for PTV to see which airways it is a part of.Let me know what you find.

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Well,i've had a search inside fmccwp and your are quite right PTV is def not part of un 857 however,on maps PTV is vor (116,50) located N48.09.20 E 02.15.53 shwown at the crossing of UN857/B31/UM728 and some others.By the way do you know if it is possible to import wpts inside a route in this wpNavRTE.text file? Many thanks for your interest . Ps:are you fsbuild 2 user ? Yvon

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Yvon,No I do not use FS Build. I have had similar problems which are caused by the fact that we do not have

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Some airways are one-way which can cause 'invalid entry' i believe. Ross

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Have you updated the airac for fsbuild as well?You need to update both the airac in PMDG and the AIRAC in FSBUILD2 to be the same version. Sometimes there are small changes to routes which change the names of waypoints or even move them into completely different routes/airways.If the FSBUILD airac is updated to the same (found at fsbuilc.com and not at navdata.at) you may need to re-build the database from within fsbuild to make sure any changes are up to date.Also, if you are not already doing so, you can automatically export the route you create in fsbuild so that you just type in the route title (i.e. lfpolfbd exactly like this as that is what fsbuild will call it when it exports it) and enter it into the route name fields in the PMDG FMC (don't enter the individual ICAO codes into the top fields as they will fill in automatically)If you do it this way the route page should have the airways and crossing waypoints already in.Last tip......don't bother including the sid/star when you plan/export the route as it can get a bit messy if you need to change runways. Just use the first/last main waypoint that you will get to when you use the SID/STARHope this helps.Glen Lee

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I don't know why this happens but I sometimes get "invalid entry" as well but only if I have put in an ext entry at the destination runway. It let me create a FAF at whatever distance I choose (say 10nm) at the departure end if it is a non ILS equiped runway. Then when I go to the RTE page and try to enter the airway to a particular fix I will get that invalid entry message. To get around it LSK the route number BELOW the intended spot on the left and it actually places it above it in the correct place next to the correct way point. Don't ask why - it does seem to work.Gerry

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Hello Glen, Yes flying from wpt to wpt is less realist but as for me i think i m doing everything to excess!but i agree with you thoses files we are using for nothing would cost a lot in officals forms.Yes sid PTV9V is issued by FSBUILD 2 but i ve discovered that some of their datas are not reliable it should be PTV1V as shown on charts at www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr I ve suscribed for route finder and i think it s nice for flt plans altough i find charting a little imprecise. Yvon

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Gerry,I can programme my FMC perfectly 99% of the time , but just once in a while I get the 'Invalid Entry' or whatever even though its a route I've programmed before OK. In my case, it looks like if you put the route in correctly the first time around its Ok - it's only if I try to modify the route that it doesn't like me putting airways in the left hand side. It will accept waypoints on the right every time though.What I have been doing lately, is always inputting the entire route inc departure and arrival info even if I have to change it later. That way, I don't have to modify the route at the planning stage and this seems to stop a lot of those error messages.

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Hello, Thank you for this info as proof i m not the only one that meets this anomaly... so do you mean that i should enter entire flt pln inside the fmc before it would be ok to made change by switching direct navigation between wpts into route?i mean i could then be able to enter route id in matching left lsk ?

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Hi,don't forget to sign your name on each message - it's the rules (you can get it to this automatically).Not sure what you mean but his is what I do for EGLL - EGPF:1. Pos Init - complete as required.2. Route: Enter Departure Point EGLL / Enter Arrival EGPF3. Hit Arr/Dep - select Dep (Left hand side put EGLL) enter R/W (say 27L), then select the SID (WOBUN)4. Hit Arr/Dep again, select Arr (Right hand side), select ILS r/w 23, select STAR LANAK1A5. Hit RTE button input:BUZAD in LSK 1R (Direct will appear in left hand column).Then enter UT420 in LSK on the left, and enter WELIN on the rightEnter UN57 on left, POL on rightEnter UN601 on the left, MARGO on the leftThat

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Hello again, Well,problem for me is is that with my flt pln lfpo/lfbd i cant insert rte un857 after PTV and the error message is not "not in data base" but "invalid entry" altough i correctly try to capture in the right left lsk .Well as i previously said i' m using fsbuild 2 and their datas may be unreliable.I m goinf to try flying btween EGGL and EGPF according to yr datas and i will see and revert if there is any anomaly in data capture. Cheers, Yvon

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Yvon,I can't get into FSBuild anymore (don't know why) so I use Routefinder but this can give varying results. For example, I'd expect the route from Bristol (EGGD) to Palma (LEPA) and from Birstol to Mahon or Ibiza to be exactly the same, but they are. Also a return flight from Paris to bristol puts a few starnge wps in - so don't rely 100% on what these are telling you.Are you sure that the waypoint you input is actually on that airway ?Another point, I've found that the FMC doesn

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Very kind of you to send those valuable commentaries,in fact it s not a long time since i uses fmc and i therefore have plenty to learn. Yvon

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Dave, No,i m not sure the wpts are on the airway and i should say i know some are defenitly not.Well as i previously said i m not using fmc since that long and there is so much to learn !anyway many thanks for sharing your experience in the forum . Yvon

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Hi Yvon,I think you need to post this problem on the FSBUILD forum as it appears to be a glitch with that programme and not PMDG.I've just tried to prpgramme the route in mine and there were a couple of problems......1, the PTV SID has a waypoint in it that is 918 nmiles south east and the next one is back up near paris again!2, PTV is not on UN857, therefore the FMC is correct in telling you that there is an error.3, When you 'Show airways that pass over point 'PTV'' it brings up the closest airway - UN860 - but even that doesn't have PTV actualy in it.The route I would use is LFPG PTV9V DCT DEPOM UN857 VELIN VELIN4 LFBDIF you choose to not export the flightplan (i.e. the easy way!!) then you enter the departure and the destination, go to the departures page and choose the runway and SID and then go to the route page and enter DEPOM and insert into the right hand 1st empty waypoint box, leave direct as it is. then enter velin into the next empty box down on the right hand side (under DEPOM) and then you can enter the airway into the left hand side (in line with VELIN)Last point......PTV is not on any airway in the current airac cycle.Hope this helpsAgain!Glen

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Hi again Glen, Yes you're right this has to be related to fsbuild and not pmdg .I was just finishing to seize datas to fly from wpts to wpts but i am going to study your own flt pln and try to fly to lfbd with it . Thanks a lot for your help. Yvon

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