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Hi friends,I read the posts about the blurry textures, but before I fiddle around with Image tool, I thought I did ask the experts for some clarifications.1. Blurry textures means the textures are granular (or grainy so as to say) and affect both the aircraft and the scenery. Is that correct? Also there are some portions of the scenery especially that at a distance that do not appear grainy.2. When I first installed FS2002 and had only the default aircraft, I never had such blurred textures. 3. The first add on was IADG Indian Airlines which worked fine without problems.4. Next I installed the FEEL REAL FLIGHT FS2002 patches - but the texures were blurred. I thought it was the problem with the way I performed the installation. Then I got Jonathan Hartana's much talked about Cathay A330 and still the textures are grainy.5. I stopped playing FS2002 for nearly 4 weeks - I had my residency exams in Internal Medicine and postings in the Medical Intensive Care Unit. Then when I start playing FS2002 after installing the SIMUBUILD AIRBUS A340-600 AND 500 4 weeks later, it is still those grainy textures. What is worse, the IADG Indian Airlines also started showing grainy textures. I checked all the texture files to see whether it was my monitor's problem but the texture files are as fantastic as ever.6. All my configurations are set to the maximum - that is ground scenery, aircraft reflections, mip mapping and tri-linear filtering enabled etc.7. I got desperate and started my FS2000. To my utter disappointment, my good old faithful FS2000 also started showing blurry textures. Has it ever happened to you guys?8. I tried zooming in and out, adjusting monitor settings - no improvement.9. Another thing which I found out - my FS2000 and FS2002 TEXT were a bit grainy right from the time I installed both, but the latter better than the former. But ever since my textures started looking grainy, the text in both FS2000 and FS2002 is being displayed with great clarity!!!!!! How did this happen?PLEASE HELP ME and THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.Before I wind up with my letter, MANY THANKS TO SCOTT BRAZELL, Avsim forum manager for helping me with my login troubles. I had sent a thank you letter to Scott personally, but the letter boomeranged with a failure of delivery message. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SCOTT!!!!!Warm regards,Dr. Jinesh ThomasResident in Internal MedicineGauhati Medical CollegeIndia.jineshthomasm@yahoo.com

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Can you post a screen shot or two? Assuming you're like 99 pct. of us and have an Nvidia chip, I suspect from what you've told us in the post that your anisotropic filtering was somehow disabled. Usually, with it on, the text will take a somewhat grainy appearance, but the textures will look clearer, especially in the distance and over uneven Terrain. With it off, the text is sharp as can be, but the texture quality suffers.Also, make sure your aircraft texture size is set to "Massive" under A/C display settings. When you say grainy, note that multitexturing will give a grainy look to the scenery, especially low to the ground and at a near distance. That's why some screenshots would help--so we can distinguish the problem better. -John

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Thanks for your reply John.By the way, how do I re-enable anisotropic filtering? My aircraft texture size is already at massive.Here are the screenshots two each from FS2K and FS2K2FS2K ScreenshotsFEEL REAL BA IN LAS VEGAShttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4ad24329781f1d.jpgSOMEWHERE OVER MANHATTANhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4ad2b92a8f62e3.jpgFS2K2 ScreenshotsTHE DEFAULT BOEING(Just look at all the smudge on the tail!!!!! It was never like this when I first installed it!!!!)http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4ad2e72b5b1270.jpgPROJECT AIRBUS A300-600http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4ad30c2be07d05.jpgWarm regards,Jinesh

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It looks to me that your video card is not being recognized or is not providing the 3d acceleration... Are your framerates affected as well?What video card do you have and how does it show up under Options/Settings/Display/Hardware? What display resolution are you using?

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Thar's why screenshots help! This does not compare with the ususal "blurry texture" post seen, and your shots show a completely different issue. First, make sure that mip-mapping is selected in display settings. Your pics look like mip-mapping is not enabled. Second, enable tri-linear filtering in display settings if it isn't already.Bert suggested your pics look like hardware accel. is off... I tend to agree that it's possible. What type of video card do you have? What type of system are you running FS on?-John

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You're sure you're also running 32 bit?Does your desktop run 32 bit?- Gideon (EHAM)

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I agree with John - mip mapping is the key here. Many seem to prefer flying with it off but I'm definitely not one of them!Mike :-wave

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Jinesh, I agree with the others. From the screenshots it looks like your system is running in 2D mode (i.e. not accelerated). In the FS hardware settings, make sure 'Enable hardware acceleration' has a cross in its box. If it does, click on it to switch off hardware acceleration. If the graphics look the same with it off, then that will confirm that your system is running only in 2D mode. How to make it run in 3D mode? Try reducing the resolution. If your graphics card has, say, only 8 Mb then it may have to run at lower resolution. Alternatively there could be a memory fault on the card. However, as the problem occurred after installing some software, then possibly that software changed some settings which resulted in 3D mode being switched off. Good luck. Best regards, Chris

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Check to be sure multitexture is enabled and reinstall the video drivers don't tweak them. jd

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Hi everybody,Thank you for your replies.1. I shall begin by describing my system configurations. - PIII 450 MHz - 64MB SD RAM - 20GB Hard disk drive - AGP Card with 4MB VRAM - Windows 98.I bought this computer in mid 1999. (It is outdated, I know!!!!!)2. My hardware accelerator is set to the full.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf5c0402a20b6.jpg3. My hardware settings are as under. http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf6ab43347fef.jpg4. My realism settings are as underhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf6ee43e350b6.jpg5. My aircraft settings are as under.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf73f451b137d.jpg6. Regarding mip-mapping and tri-linear filtering, they were always on as I had mentioned in my first post.7. Coming to multi-texturing, here are the screenshots without and with multi-texturing. I cannot sort out anything different.WITH MULTI-TEXTURINGhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf7a2465bba17.jpghttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf7ec46e0ab8d.jpgWITHOUT MULTI-TEXTURINGhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf82248197b20.jpghttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf86648d1375a.jpg9. About frame rates, this is what I get. I am quite used to it, though sometimes it may go up to 3fps. With FS2000, I ALWAYS GET more than 3fps with all options put to the maximum.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf8a74a165358.jpg10. 32-bit texture support - what is the meaning. Is this what you intended?http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf8fc4b67e566.jpg11. Re-install my video card. Which is my video card? Is it the AGP 4MB VRAM? How can I find it out in my system? 12. It was Chris' post which began to unlock the clue to the puzzle. When I unchecked the hardware accelerator, the following message came up.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bf9714d7acf1a.jpg And as you have said, it does not make any difference to the textures. So I think I am in for real trouble. http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4bfa3e509c69c1.jpgPerhaps I should try at a lower resolution? I shall post it later. Stay tuned. THERE IS AN EMERGENCY CALL. GOT TO GO.

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OK. That patient gave me a fright. Phew! Getting back to business, I tried all sorts of resolutions, with and without hardware acceleration. They all look the same. The problem should be therefore with my video card right? Can you tell me (1) how I can trace the video card on my system(2) what is anisometropic filteringTHANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP.Warm regards,http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4c04ae775daa73.jpg

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I'm afraid that your suspicion is correct: your system is not going to be able to display FS2002 the way you want, and certainly not with all the graphics options turned up... Firstly.. a 4 Meg video card is insufficient.. you really need 32 Meg or better, preferably a GeForce card.. I'd suggest starting by turning all the grahics options down (textures, reflections, shadows etc). A new card is only about $100.. worth considering..As well, to get good performance, you need at least 128 Meg main memory (256 is better).. The processor.. you could run OK with a P450 if you are willing to cut back on some of the graphics options.. I was quite happy with a Celeron 500 for a while..So, first suggestion: cut back on the graphics sliders!Secondly, consider investing in a better video card ( assuming that your machine has an AGP slot (and not only integrated AGP graphics onthe mother board..)

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After seeing your specs, I'm afraid there's no way you can improve on your FS2002 performance. There are three issues:1) Your video card. 4 megs memory is too small an amount to support the number of textures used by FS2002. It is also a sign that your card most likely offers little or no 3d support, including such benefits like mipmapping, anisotropic filtering, etc....2) Your installed RAM.... I did not get good performance until I upgraded to 256 megs. FS2002 uses between 130-180 megs, depending on scenery complexity. 3) Your cpu speed. I note this last since some have had fair results on a 450mhz system with a good video card, ample ram and some compromises in scenery settings.Microsoft's min. specs for this sim are very misleading. The only way someone can have good results at those specs is by turning everything off, bringing the sim down to a level similar to FS98. Microsoft has given us a great sim, but they deserve to be slammed for misleading people as to what type of system the sim can be run on. Having said that, I feel I'm running FS2002 on a system which would be quite inexpensive to find. My specs:P3/800GeForce 2/Ti 256 Megs RAMWin 98SEBy turning off AI and leaving Autogen set low, I normally get 25 fps almost everywhere. Here's a pic in another thread showing a very fps hungry payware Cessna. By leaving A/C reflections off, I manage a smooth 20-25 fps... Life is a compromise, so it is said, and I'm happy with the compromises I've made that make this sim enjoyable, smooth and fluid.

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Hi Jinesh. Before you give up on your system, try reinstalling DirectX. Loosing hardware acceleration indicates a confused DirectX. DirectX can become confused if new drivers or cards are installed. Sometimes installing a new DirectX-based program can confuse DirectX.To reinstall DirectX, just run the installation program... no need to uninstall anything. If your DirectX version isn't current, consider upgrading to 8.1

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It seems to me as if you have a onboard video chip.This will never work for any 3d gaming.The best thing I can suggest is maybe get a GF2 TI 200 or maybe a orginal geforce card that has no less the 32MB on the card.You could get a GF4 but no offence with your setup it would do more harm than good because of the power it would take to run a GF4 in the first place.The other route is to do a complete system upgrade if you have the funds to do so.You can check out pricewatch.com for all the best deals going on.You will benfit the most from maxing out your ram and getting a decent video card.Seeing it your system is about 4 yrs old you proboly have EDO ram which is really cheap now if you can find it.Richard Dillon KATLSr First Officer www.jetstarairlines.com"Bill Grabowski's"ERJ-145 panel Beta TeamMD-11 panel Beta Team____________________________"Lets Roll" 9/11 Specs AMD 1600 XP 512MB DDR GF3 ti 200 64MB SBliveCh Products Yoke and Pedals(usb)Windows 2000 SP2

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Jinesh, that's a lot of very useful information. I agree with the others, a 4 Mb graphics card is unlikely to work well in FS2002. I have a 32 Mb card and 256 Mb main memory, but when I run Gmax and FS at the same time (with FS windowed) sometimes FS will switch to 2D mode, which looks the same as your screenshots! When this occurs I can sometimes get back to 3D mode simply by reducing the FS window size. That error message may not be significant. After reading your post I fired up FS and switched to 2D mode - and got exactly the same message! That may have been because I was also running Netscape. Okay, this is what I think may have happened. It was originally running in 3D mode, but it was very close to failure due to the very small graphics card and main memory. When you installed the new software it used up some more memory, and now FS can only run in 2D mode. The screenshots and the very low frame rates are typical of 2D mode. I would suggest un-installing any FS add-on software, particularly the software that appeared to have triggered the problem. Also make sure there are no other unnecessary Windows applications running at the same time. If that fails then try re-installing FS2002. Also you could try turning all the FS options down to minimum and running at the lowest resolution (640*480). But, sadly, the real problem is your hardware! I would start with the video card ( the AGP 4MB VRAM). You can easily identify the video card because the monitor video cable will be plugged into it. I don't know how expensive such things are in India ( particularly on a doctor's salary!), but you could replace it with a fairly old card such as a GeForce 1 with 32 Mb Ram. As it's several years out of date it should be cheap, but it should work very well (I know this, because that's exactly what I have on mine!) The next useful upgrade would be more main memory - but I think the card replacement would fix the problem. You could also run it at higher resolution, possibly with higher frame rates. Well, good luck. Don't hesitate to ask more questions. Best regards, Chris P.S. here in England we had a bit of a heatwave last week, but I'll bet it was nowhere as hot as in India!

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Hi everybody!SUCCESS AND GRAND SUCCESS!!!!!!!Now read on and see how the problem is solved.(1) It started with rhumbaflappy's (What is your name? You are one hell of a genius!!!!) suggestion that I re-install Direct X. So I opened Direct X on my system. This is what I saw.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da4c9689e079a.jpgSo that means on 4th August 2002, my system has Direct X 8.0 O.K.? Now see the next.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da4fc6926df49.jpgI tested all the Direct X features mentioned - it all worked fine.BUT LOOK CLOSELY AT THE DEVICE COLUMN - IT SAYS Current display mode: 800 x 600 (24 bit) optimal refresh rate. That is correct because that is how my system shows. See below.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da54069dd32ad.jpgI overlooked this very important piece of information at first. Boy! It fooled me for half the world!!!!!Then I turned to Windows Explorer and just started scanning my FS2002 files. I chanced to see a file called dxdiag.txt Just open it!Now Senors and Senoritas, the fun begins......http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da61f6c3f820a.jpg(1) See the time of this report: It shows 25th June, 2002 and the time is 4:27 P.M. THAT IS EXACTLY THE DAY I RETURNED HOME (COCHIN) FROM NEW DELHI AND EXACTLY THE TIME I STARTED INSTALLING FS2002 ON MY COMPUTER. I HAD AN OLDER DIRECT X VERSION THEN AND FS2002 AUTOMATICALLY UPDATED IT TO VERSION 8.WARNING: Your computer will generate this information ONLY if you are starting from an earlier version of Direct X. That is if you installed fs2002 with Direct x 8, this file would not have been generated. How do I know? Well, I uninstalled and reinstalled FS2002 again. To my surprise this file is not there!!!!!!(2) On scrolling further down the dxdiag.txt file we come to another surprise. See below:http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da6c06e77b764.jpgNoticed it? The Current Mode: 800 x 600 (16 bit) optimal refresh rate So it means WHEN I ORIGINALLY INSTALLED FS2002 ON MY SYSTEM ON 25TH JUNE, 2002 AT 4:27 P.M. IT WAS SET AT 16 BIT RESOLUTION. SOMEHOW (AND I DON'T KNOW HOW!!!!!!!), IT GOT CONVERTED TO 24 BIT RESOLUTION AS OF TODAY. YOU CAN SEE THIS FROM MY EARLIER SCREENSHOT. WHEN DID THAT CHANGE OCCUR? AND WHAT CAUSED IT TO OCCUR? I DO NOT KNOW!!!!!So I changed it back to 16 bit (High Colour) See belowhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da7086f8721d9.jpgAND VOILA LOOK AT THE FS2000 AND FS2002 SCREENSHOTS BELOW.FS2000 SCREENSHOThttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da733700065a8.jpgFS2002 SCREENSHOTNow the tail is displayed correctly.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da77670d6384b.jpgAnd the Airbus looks fine.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d4da7b5714e1224.jpgNoticed something else? The text display has become blurred again unlike my previous post of screenshots.!!!!! (viz. John, you had mentioned it earlier!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!)It was only then I understood the importance of Chris's post - Something caused the system to reverse the setting. We do not know why, but THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHRIS!!!!!!!!So gentlemen, let me offer you all a toast. Cheers!!!!!Thanks everybody!!!! for pointing out the defects in my system. I guess she is nowhere near the specs you all have! By the way, Ge Force 4 cost Rupees 17,000 in India. (approximately 260 Pounds or 380 US $) It is a mere trifle with a doctor's salary and easily acquirable. But I guess, I have to wait some time (probably 6 years!!!) before I do something. Simply because, I am now a "resident" doctor - that is a post graduate student in Internal Medicine in his first year. And what is my salary? Rs. 4500( 70 Pounds) a month!!! Ha! Ha! Can't believe it? Well, the Government of India or the respective state government provides medical education at a very low rate if you qualify through a competitive entrance examination. So I pay only the the equivalent of 70 pounds for my entire THREE YEAR post graduate course as tution fees. How does the government make up for that? Pay us low salaries!!!!! O.K.!!!!! Then I would like to do my super-speciality in Neurology - an additional three years. In six years from now (Lord! I will be 30 years old then), I will become a "Consultant" doctor - a doctor in the real sense. Then I shall be able to command a decent salary.Isn't it ironical to say that the world's largest democracy pays so much attention to educate its citizens and the results of it is being thwarted by some two penny half penny worthless politicians who haven't even completed seventh standard!!!! You been to India, Chris!! It is hot up north, but you must visit the state of Kerala in south India. It has the most pleasant climate in the whole of India. That is where I am from. And India is nothing compared to Kuwait in terms of heat where I did most of my schooling because Dad was working there. Will I ever forget the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait!!!!!!THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP. LET US CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO FURTHER EXCELLENCE IN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND MEDICINE.WARM REGARDS AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.Jinesh.

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Jinesh, that's excellent! Your info was very interesting. If Windows had switched from 16 bit to 24 bit display then it would use more memory - and as memory is the thing you're very short of, that may well have caused FS to switch to 2D mode. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you're back in business! So you live on 70 pounds a month? That's amazing - you'd have to work four months just to buy a Geforce 4. But, hopefully in a few years, things will be *much* better and you'll be able to afford the best computer money can buy! Anyway, I'd like to wish you the very best of luck in your career. So you were in Kuwait when Saddam paid a visit? That must have been an amazing experience - and very frightening. But it sounds like the Americans will be paying Saddam a visit quite soon.... The weather here in England is back to normal, cold and wet. India is one place I'd like to visit - maybe one day.... All the best, Chris

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Well Jinesh. I am glad you solved your PC problems. A SiS 6326 was the first hardware accelerator I ever bought. It served me well, and whilst people won't believe this, it's colour rendering and 2D were truly exceptional. It now continues to serve in my mother's machine.As regards the medical side of things, it really is a case of swings and roundabouts. In Australia, when my Uncle completed his medical degree at the beginning of the 1970's, things were quite a lot different to what they are today. Nowadays, provided you are in the top 0.001% of students, you can spare 7 years to study, have what it takes, as well as a cool $250,000 for the tuition, you too can have a medical degree :) Although as you probably realise, the hardest part is "having what it takes". Most who think they do, don't.

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Hi Chris and John,Thank you for your replies.70 Pounds is quite an amount in India, Chris and a 24 year old unmarried resident who does nothing other than study and fly and have a hell of a time with his friends, it is more than enough because accomodation, food and other things are free! Anyway, my sister who is a civil engineer is getting a new P4 2.5 GHz, GeForce 4. Can't wait for that!!!!!Yes, when Saddam betrayed his tiny neighbour way back in August 2, 1990, I was 12 years old and studying in the 8th standard. It was not frightening...He! He! I loved the military aircrafts roaring over our flat!!! That morning, Dad left for work as usual and before he could drop my sister at school, the Iraqi soldiers politely and firmly stopped him on the highway and one of them escorted him back to our flat. There is some politeness there! The rest you know is history. I really miss Kuwait very much.By the way, you would be knowing that Saddam is under treatment for lymphangiosarcoma - a rare malignant disorder of the lymphatic system. It was detected early otherwise, it would have finished him now!! And our bearded evil Osama is also having a tough time - with nowhere to run and nowhere to hide, he is in end-stage renal failure. If I am not mistaken, he should be dead by now because I don't think peritoneal dialysis could filter all that urea from him for such a long time. The only option left for him is to get new kidneys which I am sure, nobody is willing to donate it to him in a hurry!!!!! Seems as if the Americans are in for real disappointment. He! he!There is a good chance that I may plan on doing my MRCP there in UK - there are quite a lot of Indians doing the same. There are some fantastic medical schools there and can't wait to see the land of Shakespeare, John Keats and tulips. I have been to Heathrow Int'l but it was night and I was enroute to JFK 14 years back. Otherwise, I have not seen any part of England. I do not have any relatives there but I have several cousins settled in the United States. Be seeing you some time Chris!Thanks John for your info on the medical education in Australia. Surprising why the Australian government cannot support its medical students. Yes, as you said, Qantas is having a bright future. They were planning to operate additional flights to Europe through Cochin Internt'l Airport in Kerala, South India but the September 11 attacks made them cancel their plans. Also Qantas is the launch customer of the 747-400ER.Wish you all the best in your personal and professional future,Jinesh.

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