The guys in the control tower told me I said 'There is ##### in the smokepit.'Maybe I was more nervous than I thought....

>But ignorning all of the human elements of an emergency takes away>the whole point of the scenerio. That depends on how you view the scenario. I think it's interesting enough to examine the scenario without the aspect of fear and reactions in emergency situations, and just focus on the core of it: controlling the aircraft.I, as much as any of you non-airline pilots, wouldn't want to put my life, and the lives of hundreds of others in my hands at the controls of an airliner. Especially not since there's a large possibility that I would be paralysed by fear in that situation.However, it would be very interesting to be able to prove that I could in fact fly the plane (or, well, work the autopilot ;-)), without any help from an instructor as would be the case in a "normal" level D sim ride. (But still, if anyone wants to offer me a "normal" level D sim ride just go ahead. :-))To make it clear: What I'm interested in is really if I could safely get a plane down at an airport if I were "dropped" into the cockpit in the middle of the ocean, with no-one else there to tell me what to do. If I could do it with fear involved also, then it's just a bonus. ;-)It's just a hypothetical question, and nothing that could actually happen in reality (only in a sim, but it would cost a load of money, tons of money :-)). That's why I'm not taking fear, screaming passengers, kung-fu fighting FAs and scrambling F-15s into account.Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing

... got an interesting reply from a 747 chief captain here:http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_...ead.main/46378/Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing

The very short version? You would most likely overshoot on your first approach due to excessive airspeed, then crash on the go-around due to a stall caused by excessive pitch-up.Even if all autoflight systems are operating, the aircraft is autoland equipped and the ILS supports CAT II/III autolands there is still plenty of things to do.1/ Slowing the beast down. You might be surprised at how sleak modern aircraft are, and how slowly they respond to spoiler extension. Even with a perfectly planned descent it is more often than not necessary to use the spoilers to arrest the speed.2/ Deploying flaps / slats. Oh yes, do it at a too high airspeed and risk damage to the flaps, slats, wings or even engines. Do it at a too low airspeed, and the pre-stall stickshaker might rattle you sufficient to make you panic. A stall would happen, followed by a rather hard contact with terra firma.3/ Gear extension. Even seasoned pilots have landed gear-up. Extending gear is not something you "just do", speed is very important. Remebering to do it equally so.4/ After landing. Suppose you did manage to get the beast on to the runway, not all autopilots will de-rotate the aircraft or track down the runway centre line. Even if it did, did you remember to arm the autobrakes? Did you set them correctly? If not, you'll have to break and the most likely outcome will be that you apply un-equal pressure and will veer off the runway with the subsequent broken landing gears, flames and loads of dead people.Now I've tried to land an A300 many a times in a full flight simulator, probably have close to 50 attempts. Let's just say that the first 40 or so failed to place me anywhere near the runway (was flown manually from the Outer Marker). When I finally had the handling somewhat cornered, most landings still saw one of the main landing gears off the runway and in the grass. Then the simulator stops and the instructor says "you"re dead again".I have successfully landed the A300, including roll-out and braking ONE time ! Now you tell me that, in the real world with all the pressure on you, you'd be able to get it right the first time you tried? Don't think so, but as an intellectual excerise it's quite fun to entertain the thought.

>1/ Slowing the beast down. You might be surprised at how sleak >modern aircraft are, and how slowly they respond to spoiler >extension. Even with a perfectly planned descent it is more often >than not necessary to use the spoilers to arrest the speedNot really surprising if you use the PIC 767 :-)>2/ Deploying flaps / slats. Oh yes, do it at a too high airspeed and >risk damage to the flaps, slats, wings or even engines. Do it at a >too low airspeed, and the pre-stall stickshaker might rattle you >sufficient to make you panic. A stall would happen, followed by a >rather hard contact with terra firma.Shouldn

Sorry, should be"though still not really understanding where the problems LIE...":-)

I think its entirly possible... I'm 15 years old and had 10.5 hours flying a Cessna 152 and became infatuated with the Hawaiian 767-300ER and had the oppertunity to go to the "Boeing Sim's" with my dad back in February... We were flying out of Moses Lake here in Washington, and with a little assitance from dad(playin copilot) i managed to take-off fly the pattern and Land, sucessfully(of course), back at Moses Lake. Impressing the heck outta both the Boeing instructor and the Hal Captain we were with!! And it wasnt half bad of a landing.. Best landing of the night considering they had engine failures that day... but hEY!!! So ya I think its Definatly Possible!RaNdYTailwinds and Greasers!!SEA/HNL