August 21, 200322 yr This is why I avoid flying airlines whose name I can not pronounce.What a waste of a perfectly good 767...if ever their should have been a go-around.Rob.
August 21, 200322 yr Rob, I seem to remember a very pronouncible airline forgetting to put enough Jet A in a perfectly good 767 and turning it into a glider. :-rollLee Hetherington (KBED)
August 22, 200322 yr Rob,I guess Canadians are not excempt to making stupid mistakes that in this case took the lives of 109 people in 1970 (see note below). At least in the case of TACA there were no casualties. The 767 was hot and heavy, and because of rain the spoilers did not deploy when the plane skidded after landing. Watch the video and you will realize that the spoilers get deployed very late in the landing roll.
August 23, 200322 yr With that DC8 disaster, I believe it was found that the design of the brake was not all that good, Boeing decided there was nothing wrong with it so refused to change it. I took a third crash due to the same design flaw before Boeing change it. Something like pulling the brake up armed it and and pulling it down deployed it, something like that.
August 23, 200322 yr I believe that meant to say Douglas Aircraft Co. and not Boeing. The DC-8 was manufactured by Douglas. Do you have any link to that finding? I searched on this subject and could not find anything,Enrique
August 24, 200322 yr That aircraft was a long way down the runway before the spoilers deployed. Do the spoilers auto deploy when the wheels hit? I think on other aircraft they do. If so, using 130 knots for a landing speed with no wind, if someone can see where the threshold of the runway is in the video and time until the spoilers deploy, we could figure out how far down the runway the aircraft landed.JimCYWG
August 24, 200322 yr The wheels are suppose to activate the spoilers when armed. In the case of the TACA accident, the spoilers where aremed but the wheels hydroplaned because of a wet/oily surface and high speed/heavy landing. Therefore the spoilers openned until late in the landing roll. It was determined to be pilot error (because of the high speed landing), but contributing factors where the ATC controller, for keeping them too fast during final approach to space out traffic, changing tailwind and the wet/oily runway.Enrique
August 24, 200322 yr Commercial Member Hydroplaning = not good! Amazing footage...Ryan Ryan MaziarzFor fastest support, please submit a ticket at http://support.precisionmanuals.com
August 24, 200322 yr Commercial Member Seems the post before mine has been deleted.... hmmm. Bob Pearson was the Captain of the Glider. The French connection is: the fueling for the Glider occurred at Montreal and the co-pilot was French-Canadian."Captain Pearson credits Quintal strongly for his cockpit management of "Everything but the actual flight controls," including his recommendation of Gimli as an alternate landing spot." From http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html.BTW: "An amusing side-note to the Gimli story is that after Flight 143 had landed safely, a group of Air Canada mechanics were dispatched to drive down and begin effecting repair. They piled into a van. They reportedly ran out of fuel en-route, finding themselves stranded somewhere in the backwoods of Manitoba." Pure hokum. Who can verify that this happened?I know Manitoba. Gimli is NORTH of Winnipeg, so the van would not drive DOWN to Gimli from Winnipeg, but UP. Backwoods? Gimli is 90 km north of Winnipeg and 3, countem 3 highways head to Gimli. Sounds like a fishy urban legend/ hollywood rewrite to me.Does that set the record straight?Now, what about that convicted drug-running pilot who piloted the A330? (KIDDING. JOKING.)No bigotry implied or inferred from me. Can't speak for Rob though - but then he's a smelly Englishman. :) ;)DS CVA3339 / UKD149System: Attlon 900 McW Hamster/Gerbilized Quantum Accessible 55Gig Iodized-Encrusted Four-poster with Mega-brill Farzenhuuven http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg The SUPPORT FORUM for Level-D Simulations products: http://www.leveldsim.com/forums
August 24, 200322 yr I just want to add something, Mike Call was the captain of that flight going into Guatemala a person I knew... TACA is one of the finest airline you will see... more than 60 years flying and not a single casualty and that include a couple of full Hydraulic failures in flight on B737
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