My friend has the PMDG planes. The 737 rocks! Although I hate the 747. It just feels all wrong. I don't like the panels, especially the 747 overhead panel...yuk!I like planes as much for their look inside aswell as the depth that has been achieved as far as recreating how they function.Those of you who have purchased the LDS 767... in your opinion how do you think this plane compares to others in overall feel? I want personal opinions only. Feel free to use strong words like HATE and LOVE.BTW I have already read half the manual and one of the tutorial flights, downloaded the package and my credit card is on the table at home so I may have it by tomorrow anyway.marius

I flew the PMDG 737 for about 1 1/2 years. Since I got the 767, I haven't touched it. That should answer your question. ;)

I still use the PMDG 737NG'sThey are SORTED and a joy to fly.I love the Level-D 767-300. It is a total masterpiece and wonderful to fly.I bought the PMDG 744 and feel that I have an unfinished product. For that reason, It is grounded until the promised service pack is released.Dave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/

Wish I knew what the issues are with the 747. I have every single PMDG aircraft they have ever produced and all work beautifully. The LDS 767 is an awesome aircraft as well. Right from purchasing all worked beautifully on my system and -- though it SEEMED like there were things here and there that didnt work, I found that these were operator error - -things I should have found in the manual before posting in the forums.Captains of all 3 aircraft (the 737, 747 and 767) have attested that all three aircraft work great and to expectation. I tend to agree. Dave -- just curious -- What service pack would the 744 need? It works perfect on my system. Maybe I can help you resolve whatever seems to be happening to your bird. I was having very serious autoflight issues myself, but found out it was stuff I was setting wrong. Shoot me an email at [email protected] :-)As to the original poster -- I VERY VERY highly recommend the 767. She is a wonderful bird and has absolutely no flaws whatsoever (as far as LDS is concerned). The only flaw of any sort was the latest download from navdata.at. Be careful with that one. I found that the procedures for my home airport - KPUB - have very serious issues with having waypoints 5,000+ miles away. LOL. That's just an amusing annoyance though that's not on LDS. I just thought I would throw that in as navdata published a note saying there were indeed problems with the latest release of data, so if you do buy the 767, you may want to stick with the default navdata for a while :-)Hope this helps. :-) Safe skies to all.

>Wish I knew what the issues are with the 747. I have every>single PMDG aircraft they have ever produced and all work>beautifully. The LDS 767 is an awesome aircraft as well. >Right from purchasing all worked beautifully on my system and>-- though it SEEMED like there were things here and there that>didnt work, I found that these were operator error - -things I>should have found in the manual before posting in the forums.>>Captains of all 3 aircraft (the 737, 747 and 767) have>attested that all three aircraft work great and to>expectation. I tend to agree. >>Dave -- just curious -- What service pack would the 744 need? >It works perfect on my system. Maybe I can help you resolve>whatever seems to be happening to your bird. I was having>very serious autoflight issues myself, but found out it was>stuff I was setting wrong. Shoot me an email at>[email protected] :-)>>As to the original poster -- I VERY VERY highly recommend the>767. She is a wonderful bird and has absolutely no flaws>whatsoever (as far as LDS is concerned). >>The only flaw of any sort was the latest download from>navdata.at. Be careful with that one. I found that the>procedures for my home airport - KPUB - have very serious>issues with having waypoints 5,000+ miles away. LOL. That's>just an amusing annoyance though that's not on LDS. I just>thought I would throw that in as navdata published a note>saying there were indeed problems with the latest release of>data, so if you do buy the 767, you may want to stick with the>default navdata for a while :-)>>Hope this helps. :-) Safe skies to all.Well for one it does not display all the different ECIAS engines displays as it only shows the GE ones at any one time, the FO side is always blank when you shut the engines down and will only light up when you start up the engines, there are frequent crashes to my desktop then I fly and it really ####### me off after a 14 hours flight when that happens, the fuel system was never designed for X16 or even X8 time compression as I will still arrive at my destination after a 16 hours flight with 80 tonnes of fuel left in my tanks! and also the GPWS callouts. It is a bug that was carried over from the B737NG series and that is it only calls it out once and then if you do not restart FS2004 or if you do not reload the plane it would not call out at all! I always thought that the MIMIMUMS callout by the computer was a computer generated voice rather than a pilot`s as used by the PMDG package.On the other hand, my Level D B767 is a joy to fly although it also shares the same problem as the PMDG B744s by only displaying the GE engines configuration and I hope that this would be settled by the next patch that Level D puts out. I was also wondering how come the PMDG B744 package heats up my computer so much when I run it when compared to the B767? Go to the FS2004 website and see one of the flight simmers, liewweiyao who has done so many flights with the Level D B767 package. Truly a wonderful package.Best regards,James

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SENCELESS AND STUPID THREAD

Not really. I do not see anything wrong with asking for other users' input on buying a product BEFORE buying a product, and the conversation here seems to be fitting as it is also sometimes good to compare different views of add-on products. I have actually gone into conversations like this and inadvertantly helped people find solutions to issues with multiple add-on products, and I feel good in doing so. I figure if someone is having a problem with a product that is performing as needed on my system, perhaps I can help them find what's wrong from a peer-to-peer point of view -- because peers helping peers helps take some pressure off tech support.Obviously I cannot say of any particular solution to the cosmetic problems mentioned here - such as the engine EICAS issue -- although a simple search would bring up that BOTH for LDS and other developers, to replicate individual EICAS systems for each engine type would require endless hours of adding code to the aircraft and RE=writing the code for the already existing model -- and such effort is beyond practicality - especially since that would obviously raise the price of the product beyond conventional means.The aircraft flies great, and is wonderful for the price. I fly the 767 in some very beautiful places on behalf of my VA, and it feels great to do so. The ONLY issue I am having with the 767 is a LOC capture issue -- she wants to fly North when the LOC is activated. Problem with the product? Certainly not. I have flown this AC before and I know for a fact it is my system producing the issue. I made the stupid mistake of upgrading Windows XP to SP2 and now I am paying for it on multiple fronts with multiple add-ons.I still fly the bird though because I refuse to use autoland. I fly the aircraft liek the airlines do -- when you begin the approavh take control of the aircraft and FLY her in **laughs**On the issue of simulator acceleration, don't forget to install the service packs. I believe both developers have released updates that correct the issues. Though I have to admit that seeing as these are SEPERATE programs that only use FS9 for the scenery basically, I wouldn't expact such things to even be implemented. FS is a "realtime" simulation, and I cannot ever remember using acceleration. I save the long flights for the days when i can actually fly them. Real pilots do not have the option of accelerating reality.On the GPWS call-outs -- never knew that was an issue -- then again never paid attention except to know that I was about to plop into the ground LOL. However I CAN attest that I do NOT have to restart FS9 for the audio issues mentioned here. I have done 2-3 leg flights with no issues at all with audio "deactivating" -- and that goes for the 737 NG series, the 747 and the 767 :-) Possible memory issue on the machine? ould be an endless amount of possibilities there. One possible solution was actually found here on the LDS site, where folks would minimize or task switch and lose cockpit sounds on their 767. I believe the solution was to hit the "q" key to turn sound off and back on, and when you turned it back on it cleared the issue. Try that with the other add-ons and see if that works :-)Hope some of this helps.

>Well for one it does not display all the different ECIAS>engines displays as it only shows the GE ones at any one time,For the exact same reason LDS doesn't have them either in their initial release - there is a huge amount of work involved in reworking the plane to use EPR as the thrust indicator and not N1. The 400F will have it, as will LDS's 757 from what I've heard. Funny that we're the only one that gets bashed for it though.>the FO side is always blank when you shut the engines down and>will only light up when you start up the engines,Welcome to real life James - this is 100% CORRECT - the F/O's screens are not powered when the cockpit is running on battery. Start the APU and connect the APU generators and you'll have the F/O screens, which run off the APU standby bus.>there are frequent crashes to my desktop then I flyThere are loads of things to try at our support forum to alleviate these. It's very hard to say what the cause could be with no information on what other addons you're running. The CTD's and out -of memory issues are the highest priority item for the service release and they affect only a small number of users.>it really #######>me off after a 14 hours flight when that happens, the fuel>system was never designed for X16 or even X8 time compression>as I will still arrive at my destination after a 16 hours>flight with 80 tonnes of fuel left in my tanks!Where does it say that 16X is supported? 8X is the max that is usable and for some reason certain users have issues with engines shutting down etc - it's being looked at for the service release.>and also the>GPWS callouts. It is a bug that was carried over from the>B737NG series and that is it only calls it out once and then>if you do not restart FS2004 or if you do not reload the plane>it would not call out at all!GPWS callouts reset at 3500 feet. If you do a go-around and don't go above 3500 feet or just sit doing pattern work, you won't get callouts.>I always thought that the>MIMIMUMS callout by the computer was a computer generated>voice rather than a pilot`s as used by the PMDG package.Carrier option.>I was also wondering how come the PMDG B744 package heats up my>computer so much when I run it when compared to the B767?I haven't personally seen this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's doing more intense math and calculating more GDI+ graphics onscreen due to the larger/more screens.

>For the exact same reason LDS doesn't have them either in their initial release - there is a huge amount of work involved in reworking the plane to use EPR as the thrust indicator and not N1. The 400F will have it, as will LDS's 757 from what I've heard. Funny that we're the only one that gets bashed for it though.Not sure it's for the exact same reason, Ryan.The 767 (right back to the FS95 version) was modelled on the GE. There was never ever any intention to model all three engines... though they are there visually.Also, unlike the 744 and the 744F, the 757 is not a variant of the 767. It is a different model. So, not quite the same comparison. http://www.pic767flyingclub.com/siggies/ds.jpg

Ok my mistake, I think it stands though that reworking the FMC and engine performance models to be based on a complete different way of measuring thrust output is a substantial amount of work that adds greatly to the development time.

You want to know how the 767 sim feels to fly? OK, here it is:I fly the real thing(767-300), and I use the LVL D 767 and MSFS to get familiar with new airports, such as I'm doing with LEMD right now, prior to flying there for real on Monday evening. It's that realistic.Tony Vallillo

Hey Tony:How are ya? Not doing the LIRF run anymore?Good to hear the 76 matches your expensive one... I will pop you a line...http://www.pic767flyingclub.com/siggies/ds.jpg

Thanks all. Especially to Tony Vallillo.I bought it. Very happy.Only flown it once so far. Flies great... great panel, sounds, love the FMC and the OVHD panel and... well I just like everything at the moment.marius

Warning, Marius . . . flying this becomes and addiction . . . .**makes note about girlfriend and house chores**Oh no! The lawn! I KNEW there was something I was supposed to do in the past 2 months . . . .

Too late. already addicted to it.2nd flight from Sydney to changai... while I slept no time accel.Set her up at cruise alt.. woke up before work.. top of descent.. everything normal. Just needed to balance the fuel. Landed in some bad weather. Great flight. For some reason it is so nice to fly in on approach.I did the lawns on Sunday just before I bought it so I am ok there.. but I want to fly tonight.. wife is calling me to bed. Oh well. Tomorrow maybe.oh just have to work out how to get rid of this annoying beeping noise.. think its the middle marker. I pressed the mkr button near the comms but still beeping on approach.