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OMG, it has to be one of the most dimensionally incorrect models I've ever seen!Air Canada with a blue tail?Huge Engines?Huge Wing-tips?Huge Landing Gear?Pointy Nose?Oh Lord, I hope that theses pics are from a VERY early beta of their model cause if that's the release version of the exterior model then NO WAY am I buying it!!!I know it says work in progress but it is supposed to be released next month.....it needs some drastic changes!!Here's a link:http://www.wilcopub.com/nonfls/a320.htmWhat do all of you think so far?I am very disappointed so far.Shane

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>Pointy Nose?Actually, the nose is NOT pointy. It actually is round and bulbus and looks just like the nose on a DC-3 or maybe even Jimmy Durante!!! So there! :-lol Mike T.

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LOLI guess "pointy" is a bad choice of words.Maybe they should call it the Wilco A320 Durante..Shane

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The shame is the only way to use the panel is to use their plane. At least with PIC 767 we could swap the visuals.[TABLE BORDER=0][tr][td]

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The panel artwork will most likely NOT be that good like PSS's. What a pity. The best thing would be if there was a 'connection': PSS model, PSS panel artwork with Wilco's system variety and technology, e. g. 'shaking' and 'clickable' VC and so on.Cheers! :-wavehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fs2k2/avsim/sig.jpg... under short final 25L EDDFetienne@spindler.deICQ# 99744757

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dang! No kidding about them engines. They could almost be an extra fuselage! Oh well, lets see what the panel will turn out as. I hope good! "As far in time as we are, I wish some designers keep in mind that we dont all have P4's! "LOL :-lolAloha!

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The visual model leaves a lot to be desired for sure but non-virtual pilots only see their ac from the inside and that should be 100% accurate as far as I'm concerned. No masterpiece but true enough to believe it's an airbus a320 your flying. And the goodies (mouse controllable, shaking cockpit, stretching legs in the galley etc) sound to make it worthwhile. another opinion.

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You had to drag it on, didn't you... As I said in the PA forum, sit and wait. Good thing about payware is, don't want it? Don't buy it. Simple. ;-) Well, I'm off to paint a little. :)Cheers,Daniel PimentelSimuBuild GroupNew banner coming soon!! :7AA RULES!!! :)Download my semi-photoreal AA 757!:http://ftp.avsim.com/library/sendfile.php?DownloadID=16882Aerolineas Argentinas A330-200 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR.../posky332ar.zipChrome AA 767 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR...osky767aaV1.zipDominicana de Aviacion 727-53C NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyRepaints/dom722.zip______________________________"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

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Have to agree ... very disappointing visual model (are they winglets or what?????) especially after the superb 767PIC. As an Airbus flightsimmer I don't think you can beat the PSS panel with the Project Airbus visual model.

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Superb PIC? What are you on? Can I have some? The PIC panel was superb, but the model was horribly ugly and a framerate killer (sadly that seems to be a Wilco trademark). If it weren't for POSKY, I doubt the PIC 767 would be as popular with the non-diehards as it is now.

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I really can't wait for the PICA320, s*d the exterior model, I can't wait to try this ground breaking technology. Also, I've found merging the PA A320 with the PSS panel difficult. The PA A320-200 doesn't have a centre tank... (Air2000) Personally I'd stick with the PSS package as is, I think the PSS VC is alot better too. Anyway, the PICA320 is still in beta and that shot is pretty old, I'm sure they'll trim it a bit.

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Is this something from a Disney filum ? What a joke, it shows to me what contempt commercial developers (not just wilco) have for the buying public.New technology panel looks like it was drawn by a five year old, the model is the worst rendition of an A320 I've ever seen and would like to know what the designer was on when creating this masterpiece, there again if he is a fan of Picasso, that would explain a lot.As for the ones saying "I'll use the PSS bus" do you have deep pockets ? What's the point in that ? OK, you pay your money, you make your choice but....is this a little Wilco humour or are they in thier Belgium chocolate towers thinking...we'll sell s***loads, who cares ? If the attitude we've seen from Wilco previous is anything to go by, my money is on the latter.C'mon Wilco, get your act together.it's PATHETIC !George

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I think that's very harsh. Lets just list some feautures.Interior turbulence and turning effectsRealistic fly-by-wire simulationACTIVE 3D COCKPITNearly all System ElementsAlso, its a beta so you can't really 'review' it yet. I think the panel is great as it was not drawn but modelled and is fully 3D.Lets just wait till she is released. Remeber, you don't have to buy it.

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Damm right I dont have to buy it. As regards it being beta, I doubt if will see any major changes, this being based on Wilco's past performance. As far as you seeing my post as a review, that's just silly as I can only base my comments on what I see. I think the post's of others justify what I say. This reminds me somewhat of the new clothes fable.I respect to your features list, I wont hold my breath and shall wait to see an endorsement from say Airbus or an Airbus pilot ? By the way what is interior turbulance ? Looking at this aircraft I should imagine it would create an awful lot of it (oops was that flatulance I meant ?)George

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"As far in time as we are, I wish some designers keep in mind that we dont all have P4's! "Well said that man !

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I'm sticking with PSS. It might not be the most realistic, but when it came out it definitely was and the visual models are quite well done by any standard. I'm surprised how many PSS-bashers there are around too (not in this thread, but in general). If anything, PSS should be worshipped for their efforts on that bird. At least they gave us a working Airbus well before anyone else :)

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I've always thought the PSS bashers all sound remarkably alike, and they always surface shortly before a competing product is to be launched...There will always be people who don't like a product, and they'll always be louder than those who do like it (especially with commercial stuff, with freeware you hear people screaming how good it is even when it isn't in fear of the creators quitting because they get no recognition sometimes).When 767PIC was released that one had a lot of problems, yet noone flamed Wilco about it.When the DF737 was released that one too had a lot of problems, yet Dreamfleet wasn't flamed.Whenever PSS releases something they are consistently flamed for the smallest imperfection (not saying there were no problems in their initial release, but I didn't experience them).I've never purchased Wilco stuff (the Airport series look nice but performance is reported to be poor and the mix of airports in the boxes doesn't work for me either, the 767 is the wrong kind of aircraft for me) and I'm not starting now. I am quite happy with the PSS Airbus, so why spend more money on another one (even if they do fix the visuals which is somewhat unlikely seeing the visuals on the 767)?

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>Is this something from a Disney filum ? A bit off topic.................. But "Walt Disney" himself, was quite a perfectionist. But then he died in 1966 and some things have got out of hand since then. Most of those "old" Disney films are well done classics.L.Adamson

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767PIC had problems? On my setup, I didn't have any problems on FS2K when it came out. They only made it better w/ the patches and now it's the standard of quality in this hobby.It's definitely not for those who want to fly "toy" airplanes or are fixated on the external model.A320 may be another good product. I'm keeping an open mind, regardless of the possible shortcomings in the external model.Pat

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interior turbulance - you fly through some nasty CBs and you view point alters. I imagine you'll get it on hard landings too.

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"Is this something from a Disney filum ? What a joke, it shows to me what contempt commercial developers (not just wilco) have for the buying public.Another insulting, and generally inaccurate statement about commercial developers. Will these cheap shots ever end? I don't seem to see them coming from commercial developers; sort of a one way street eh? I guess we're the easy targets because we charge money, and folks think they deserve our "first born" for $29.95. Frankly, whether Wilco or anyone else, I would not be so quick to criticize something that is still "beta".I saw FS2002 when it was first beta, very basic, many bugs, trees floating in the air, grass where water should be, remnants of old scenery on top of new, etc. I am sure that some of you, if having seen it in its first beta version, would have suffered heart attacks because you would have thought that is what they were planning to release it, the truth was far from it. It was amazing to see the sim come to life / get put together before our eyes. Did you ever think Wilco is allowing you the same with such previews?Many make the mistake of thinking that a beta is a "release candidate", it is not, far from it. It is just the first version the developers want to get into the hands of outside testers, and this is done while development and refinement continues. Such was the case with FS2002, with our own products, and I am sure with Wilco's / their developers products (Wilco is essentially a publisher, not a product developer).I think they deserve better than this, and commercial developers in general deserve better than the offensive and inaccurate statement made above. Of course, we're used to such cheap shots, but every so often I will make it a point to respond to such remarks. We are human beings afterall.I for one put in about 12 hours a day, six days a week into my commercial FS work, and I do not view that as having contempt for anything or anyone!Well, my 12 hours is up for today. Time to go for a Martini, with a contempt chaser! :-lolRegards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F..._FORUM_LOUd.jpg

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No kidding. It's totally WRONG to insult people's work like that, and threads like this just show how rude and ungrateful people can get sometimes. I have seen MUCH worse stuff and people go gaga over it, and now comes this, introducing new stuff to the FS world, and people b**** about it. Oh well. Ungrateful people. We should try not doing anything and leave you people with default planes and scenery, see if you still feel like bashing. :-lolCheers,http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d68c1fb7d97da8c.jpgAA RULES!!! :)Download my semi-photoreal AA 757!:http://ftp.avsim.com/library/sendfile.php?DownloadID=16882Aerolineas Argentinas A330-200 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR.../posky332ar.zipChrome AA 767 NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyR...osky767aaV1.zipDominicana de Aviacion 727-53C NOW AVAILABLE!!http://www.thevivcorp.com/~fyarepaints/MyRepaints/dom722.zip______________________________"Whenever you find yourself in the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

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Is it me or does it seem like Wilco is taking a step back with the graphics of the panel itself. With the advances of FS we have seen PIC 767, and the DF 737 that photo real panels are the way to go. You can have crisp looking graphics and place the gauges into the panel. This is one of the reasons why I never caught on to Fly the panels just look to cartoonish. Wilco IMHO could have taken/obtained real photos from all angles and turne the VC into an amazing looking panel. Looking at this photo http://www.wilcopub.com/nonfls/a320_06.htm you have a very nice looking AP buttons, and FMC yet the rest of the cockpit panel looks too cartoonish it's a shame. The other thing I an not real happy about is that Wilco is limiting the use of the panel. We all know Wilco has never been able to make a good looking visual model look at A2k_v1-3, as well as the PIC visual model not the best offered. It's sad that the product for now cannot be used in the PA A320 series as I happen to really enjoy the PA 320.John

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