It is with sadness that I have to de-install KDFW.

[DMullert]

Hey Gang!Well! It is with sadness and regret that I have to de-activate my Simflyers KDFW scenery from my system. This scenery is beautiful and the folks at Simflyers did a magnificent job with it, but it wreacks hell with my frame rates. I can no longer fly in the Dallas area without my system being brought down to it's knees. DFW is my home area and therefore I home out of DFW for my virtual airline and most of my flights in FS2002.I do not regret paying for it because they have actually done a great job with other airports, which I own, like KEWR, KPHL, and KMCO to name a few. I think the KDFW airport is so hughe and requires so much detail that my machine has a hard time with it - not to mention when the traffic arrives - YIKES!Hopefully the folks at Wilco will do a better job with the graphics dept. in their FS2002 airport series coming up.Here's my system by the way:Intel P4 1.7Ghz512MB of RDRAM PC-800Nvidia GeForce-2 Ultra 64MB video (12.41 drivers)Direct-X 8.140.5GB Hard drive with @19GB freeDVD-ROM / CD-RW / 3.5" Disk DriveSoundBlaster Live! Platinum soundBoston Acoustics premium sound systemLogitech Cordless mouse and keyboard21" Flat Super VGA Gateway VX-1120 monitorWindows ME operating system (Yes I know - it sucks)CH Products USB Flight Sim Yoke (3 levers) and USB pedalsSuncom SFS Split throttle assemblySincerely,Dennis D. Mullerthttp://www.aavirtual.com/images/aav205_banner.gif[/img]

[Guest]

Something doesn't seem right with the performance problems you are having. I've got a P4 1.7 Ghz with 512 MB DDR ram, and max out everything (I do turn down autogen when in the vicinity of the SimFlyers sceneries, though) and FS2002 runs acceptably smooth (11-15 FPS, but smooth and not jerky). You may want to try Win XP, it may do a better job of managing memory for you than Win ME. Sim Flyers seems to have done a good job with decreasing the distances that buildings and static scenery become visible to help in the FPS department, but it is still pretty complex and somewhat of a draw on resources.Try adjusting the mesh complexity and autogen density while at KDFW. Also, are you using the static aircraft and/or AI aircraft with KDFW? Try getting rid of the static planes if you are using them, it may help.MikeKOCF

[Guest]

Windows XP seems worse for me... More of a resource hog, after 30min of flight it really slows down, and transitioning between views is nearly impossible as it takes about 30seconds to 're-texture' an aircraft from an outside view.. I had no such problems with ME...

[Tabs]

Is the SimFlyers stuff made with GMAX?? I know that can cause a HUGE framerate drop if it's made using older methods...

[01pewterz28]

Sorry to here that DFW is not working to well on your system. IMHO something is quite wrong with your setup if you cannot run DFW on your setup. I just completed a flight from Denver to DFW using the DF 737, Ariane 737, SimFlyers DFW, freeware Denver, Full AI will lot's of AA and DL planes running at DFW. My performance on final approach and on the ramp was sitting right at 9fps. (pics maybe tonight if not tomorrow in the screen shot forum)You have a bigger system than I doP3 1GHZ512MB Ram PC133G4 64MBWin98SEDo you have the static scenery installed is so disable it and use AI traffic.Currently no none of our sceneries are GMAX.John

[Guest]

I wonder if perhaps it's the Geforce2 video card you've got running there. I had a ATI Radeon 7500 (between Geforce 2 and 3 in performance) and took a huge framerate hit going into the regular MS KLAX with max AI traffic on. That's just alot of polys for a somewhat aged video card to crank out. FWIW, I run a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 128 mb now (had to return my GF4Ti4200 64mb as it was defective) and it's smooth as silk. Though I don't have any custom scenery. FWIW you can buy a nice Geforce 4 Ti 4200 for around $150 from www.newegg.com. I am willing to bet you'll see your framerates just about double if you were to switch from the GF2 to the GF4Ti.

[Sarge27]

Dennis,Just a thought....go multi monitor!If you can drop a few extra bucks, buy a good used 17" monitor and an NVIDIA based PCI video card. Run this as a second monitor and drag your cockpit panel to it. Then use your 21" as an "out the window" display. Even with SimFlyer's DFW scenery, both monitors will display with a real decent frame rate. Runs like a dream on my machine! Heck'uva lot easier to see the runway on approach too!Mark

[Guest]

I've done the switch from a GF2 Ultra to a GF4 Ti4200. There is absolutely no difference in the framerate at SimFlyer's KDFW. Dennis won't see a change either. It's not the video card that drives the framerate with high-density scenery in FS2002. More CPU Scotty....TripNorthwood 2.2a at 2.72Ghz Abit TH7II-R512MB Samsung 40ns PC800Gainward 64MB GF4 Ti4200 300/57040.71's DX8.1 WinXP ProInwin case / Enermax 431W PSU3DMark2001SE = 13223http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4569591

[Romeo_Tango]

'Try getting rid of the static planes if you are using them, it may help.'Hi all,Can someone tell me how to disable the static aircraft in simflyers scenery?Thanks in advance.Robin

[Guest]

Robin - The static scenery for KDFW and KLAX can be disabled directly in the Scenery Library. There are two entries for each of these two airports. The statics for the other airports are integral to the airports .bgl files and not easily undone.Trip

[1mikel151]

Dennis, I feel for ya! I to live in Dallas and use the Simflyers as well and with my Athlon 1.4 I am just barely able to enjoy it (no statics, but full AI). I am sure that Trip is right, I have a G4 Ti 4600 and can't wait to upgrade my CPU.Regards, Michael

[Guest Dean]

>Dennis, I feel for ya! I to live in Dallas and use the >Simflyers as well and with my Athlon 1.4 I am just barely >able to enjoy it (no statics, but full AI). I am sure that >Trip is right, I have a G4 Ti 4600 and can't wait to upgrade >my CPU. I also live in the Dallas area and was looking forward to flying in and out of KDFW. Unfortunately, it barely runs on my system and I don't have the static scenery installed. I've been playing with my system trying to find the source of the bad performance but I just can't find anything that makes an improvement. Funny thing is the frame rates do not indicate they are as bad as the performance is. I may see 9-15 FPS but it looks like a 4 fps slide show. I'm ready to pull the Soundblaster Live card and see if things improve.Athlon 1800+, 512 meg PC2700 RAMVisiontek G-3 64 meg., 30.82 driversSoundblaster LiveWindows 98 SE.

[Guest]

>Hopefully the folks at Wilco will do a better job with the >graphics dept. in their FS2002 airport series coming up. Only if A2V3 isn't any indication of how their future airport products will turn out.....

[Guest Stamatis]

"9 fps?? And you call that "flyable"?I guess everyone of us has different priorities when using FS.After installing an addon airport I place my aircraft on the ILS, at around 1 mile from the threshold and if I see less than 18 fps I first turn something down and if this becomes too sparse I concede defeat and revert to the default airport.I will accept less than 18 fps while taxing, when fps are not so important, but not when I am still flying.I use the sim primarily for flying, and secondarily for enjoying beautiful looking airports.Stamatis

[Guest]

Go buy a AMD AThlon XP 2600. Then it will work. Intel is the reason that the program is choppy.