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I am getting ready to order the FS Genesis 38.2 terrain. Before I do so I would like some comments from other people using this program. Is the change noticable? Does it affect frame rates? Is it difficult to install? ect. Thank You in advance for the assistance.

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Chuck, I just recieved my cd today for the rocky mountain area. I wanted to compare the default area at Lake Powell in Utah with it. There is difference of night and day. The 38.2 is really well done. I don't have any trouble with frame rates. It is smooth. The install is simple, you just press the button and it self installs. My cpu is pent3 866,512 ram GF4 ti 4400, winxp home sp1. I was so impressed am going to get the other areas. First time in years I could use mesh without stutters and jerks. Don

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Get it! I got the whole U.S. in 30m resolution about a month ago, and I am still amazed how almost every hill in the country is depicted. There IS an impact on the frame rates (in some areas more than others), so you might want to make sure you are at least getting decent frame rates with the default scenery. As for the installation, it was easier than I had expected. You can automatically remove a region after it is installed if for some reason you are dissatisfied with it. I had taken some screenshots a while back but unfortunately it seems I deleted them. Nonetheless, I'm sure you won't regret it.-Derek

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I ordered the entire US coverage as well. It's a VAST improvement over the default terrain. With his LandClass releases and the terrain mesh I can now spot the approximate location of my house in Pittsboro, IN. I couldn't do that before with the default scenery. The scenery out west with his terrain his unbelievable. It has to been seen to be believed. But, as others have said, the mesh out west is just a little bit rougher on the framerates. But not enough to cause you to want to uninstall it. I have noticed a couple of glitches, but nothing to be extremely worried about. Well, I was worried when I took off from SFO for ORD and just about nailed a HUGE rectangular pillar at 37000 feet somewhere northeast of Sacramento that strectched from ground level up into space. Really, that's the only thing I have to complain about and it's really not a big deal. It's worth the money, every cent.Regards,Dan Zollnerhttp://jdtllc.com/images/RCsupporter.jpg

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Can you guys take some pics and post them. I'd really like to see how much better it is. If you wouldn't mind, a shot of flat land going toward foothills and then mountains. The KPDX area is a good one. Or any area you think is particularly good.Thanks. It would be appreciated. Adam

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Here are a few shots I quickly churned out. I set the time of day to best bring out the contours of the mountains.Over the Columbia River looking towards what I presume to be Mt. Hood.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3ddd9cde03f05aa1.jpgMoving into Washington state, a brave cessna flies low over the crater of Mt. St. Helens. I turned on the frame rate counter to help give an idea of the performance. If it is not as high as you were expecting, keep in mind that the visibility is set to 40 mi. in this shot.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3ddd9ce503fe3c5a.jpgA few hills can be seen in this shot behind downtown Portland.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3ddd9ce904084bdc.jpgHope these are helpful, I am not familiar with the Oregon area in real life so I can only assume the scenery is accurate.-Derek

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WOW :-eek Those are indeed wonderful! That Mt. St. Helens shot is spectacular. Something to consider getting as an add-on for sure.Thanks a bunch Derek.Adam

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I have the Hawaii terrain + land class and it is very nice.The only problem I've seen so far is that Wheeler AAF is sitting on a plateau about 50 meters above the surroundingterrain, which I assume is due to how airport scenery isoverlayed onto the terrain.scott s..

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For comparison's sake, this is a ~76m mesh that is available as freeware. You will find better performance w/ this, but you can see how the sides of the mountain are much better defined w/ the FS Genesis mesh. The landscape in the distance (in Derek's post) has significantly better definition than what is shown here. You will find however, that if you fly > 5000' over the terrain, the resolution in the FS Genesis scenery bleeds off quickly and it looks only slightly better than 76 or 153m mesh.If you fly low and slow, FS Genesis is the way to go. But if you're fast and high, let freeware be your guy (I slay me :-lol I need sleep)

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Mount St. Helen??You never see the real mount st. Helen - from anybody apart - from FSfreeware.com - Seattle 10 m mesh for that area - or the new and Vast Coverage for the US NW come in out soon at fsfreeware.com - about 1 gb of 10 m terrain for the NW Usa!you know what I mean??

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Thanks Derek, I don't know what's going on with the forum lately, but not all of my posts even get displayed. I wrote you back yesterday thanking you for the pics. They look amazing by the way. A definite consideration for an add-on.Thanks, Adam

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HI Dan,Can you locate this again and give more exact coordinates? I'll get it fixed pronto.ThanksJustinFSG

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Can anyone post any comparison shots, default terrain vs. Mesh?Bob

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Hi Bob,I have some (large) screenshots available comparing mesh created from 10m, 30m, 100m, and 1000m source data as well as the default mesh. These were constructed from my own mesh data, but I am sure the 30m data from FSGenesis is comparable. These allow you to compare all popular source data resolutions available for the US. I suggest downloading the zip file (1.2MB) so you can toggle through them with your favorite image viewer - an interesting exercise!download zip file: http://www.fs-traveler.com/cgi-bin/meshcomp.zipbrowse online at: www.fs-traveler.com/ss-meshcomp.htmlHope this helps.Steve"mesh matters" at www.fs-traveler.com

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Sorry Steve:I believe your picture show a 30 m data resampled to 9.6 -Look how 10 m mesh designed with real 10 m usgs data looks like!!This screenshots is taken from the fsfreeware.com Los Angeles 10 mesh area pack.Ray

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Don.I am running the same system as you except I have VooDoo 4500 card and win me.I know little about the differences in video cards.Do you think I would notice a substantial difference upgrading to the GF4 ti 4400?What do they cost?I am planning on building a new setup when fs2004 comes out.Would I just be throwing money away by upgrading card?Thanks for any advice.Ron

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Hello Ray,>I believe your picture show a 30 m data resampled to 9.6No, I used true 10m USGS source data for Mt. Washington NH. As well as for my mesh for the entire state of NJ, the entire state of NY, Mt Hood OR, Mt Rainier WA, San Francisco CA, Bar Harbor ME, Yellowstone WY, and Yosemite CA. I have not yet made most of this 10m mesh availble to the public because I am not sure the improvement over 30m mesh is worthwhile, given the additional space requirements and performance demands. I encourage others to download the screenshots and decide for themselves. Feedback on this issue is welcome!Or would you be more convinced if I provide comparisons of your sample 10m Mt Hood OR mesh with my own 10m mesh for the mountain; there is little point in doing so - they are virtually identical. I could also include my 30m mesh screenshot for comparison, demonstrating how little improvement 10m mesh provides. Perhaps you could observe the same courtesy and construct your own 10m mesh for Mt Washington NH and compare it with mine, rather than providing your sample from another area. Coordinates for the location of my screenshots are provided at the top of the default mesh image.You could also download my 10m mesh for Bar Harbor ME from this site, construct your own mesh for that area, and compare them. Or at least you could provide screenshots comparing your own 10m and 30m mesh data for an area, so folks can see how little/much better "10 m mesh designed with real 10 m usgs data" is. Only comparison screenshots are useful If you are truely interested in informing people.Regards,Steve

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Chuck,Just purchased and installed all FSGenesis USA 38.2 Mesh and adding Justin's Freeware Landscape as it is developed and released.All is great, a huge difference with little or no frame rate hit that I can notice.Also check out the membership options, great savings.Shipping is fast, ordered on the 18th and received on the 21st.Support is undoubtedly the best. On several occasions I have received help within 30 minutes or less.Don't know how you can go wrong.---Jerry---

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Steve;I do not agree - - 10 m mesh is way better than 30m.Post here a coordinates - and design your way - and I design a 10m - so we can make a comparison of the difference.Bearing in mind 10 m data do not cover the whole of usa - therefore on the nw is more likely - data are available.I'm a curios boy!Ray

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