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Working on Rick Sasala's nicely done GIV. I still have a bit to do but I am working on a few different schemes at the moment. Here are a few. Should be finished in the next few days with these!http://www.xplanefreeware.net/freehost/hornit/g4new.JPGhttp://www.xplanefreeware.net/freehost/hornit/g4new1.JPGhttp://www.xplanefreeware.net/freehost/hornit/g4a.JPGhttp://www.xplanefreeware.net/freehost/hornit/g4b.JPG

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Very nice, I have a question, what are some visual clues to tell GIV's from GV's? At first I thought it was the windows, GIV had 5 windows and GV had six, but I have seen quite a few GIV's on airliners with 6 windows(unless airlines has them labeled wrong, would be the first time) Though my only up close and personal experience with 'em is the Navy and Marine Corps C-20G's, and they have 5 windows on the port side and 2 on the starboard, but that's because of the cargo door:-outtahttp://publish.hometown.aol.com/p3superb/images/675-2fs.jpg

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Great start, Hornit! A search on Airliners.net or Google/Images comes up with some VERY sexy liveries; so hopefully you've started a trend. She's a lovely bird and she looks great in your screenshots. Seem to have your rig pretty well set up there.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/reds.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Thanks! The only big problem is that the nacelle textures for the N number repeat. This makes it pretty much impossible to get the "leaning" N numbers to go the right way on both sides. Not many owners use the straight vertical font for these. I made some changes to the interior to get the dark window effect. I also had Rick work up a different transparency for the cabin and cockpit windows allowing the interior textures to show through better. THANKS RICK!!!!! I don't use a VC so right now the nice interior looks rather crappy due to ALL the textures being some shade of dark grey or brown. With the original glass_t bitmap the reflection made the windows look much to light IMHO. I also subdued the panel and detail lines as most Gulfstreams are in pristine shape and you don't see too much of that. I changed the bitmap area around the cockpit window geting rid of the darker texture around the framing. I have a few other schemes to try out and see how the textures wrap on the belly area and wings.Hornit

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Hey Hornit, looking forward to these as well (great pics!). I love this aircraft, I, unlike you, love the VC, I have repainted it 3 times for my VA and personal use, and have changed the VC textures to gray, with different seat textures and the notebook textures, haven't played with the windows yet, but you are correct, a little light. I am very grateful to Rick for his work! Outstanding!I think you are a little biased Mark! :-lol LOLMichaelhttp://www.geocities.com/res052cd/cmhbanner.gif

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Real nice looking paint schemes.I am Gulfstream type rated and Rick's a/c is the best yet. The air file is pretty darn close, a little off on the fuel burn but close enough without having the flight manual and spending a year to figure out all the different fuel flows at different weights, altitudes, etc.I love the panel, we know that the RW panel would be almost impossible to duplicate but this is a very functional panel, I notice on the update that the engine instruments are not labeled. Other than that, GREAT job.I would like to be able to look out the right side aft and left side aft and see something besides the window panels. Don't know what that involves as I see it in quite a few add-on a/c.Keep up the great work guys, I appreciate all your hard work, gets me back into the cockpit where I lived for 21 years.BTW The N number is close, last one I flew was N222Mw :-)

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The Company has recently renamed the entire Gulfstream Jet line.They now have names as follows below(not including the "lower end" models of the line).The visual cues seem to be the G-500 and 550 have 7 cabin windows, and the "400" and "300" (formerly G-IV models) perhaps 6 windows.Here are some specs I found today.G-400 (formerly G-IV/SP)Maximum Range(8 passengers, 3 crew, NBAA IFR reserves) 4,100 nm 7,593 km Normal Cruise Speed Mach 0.80 / 459 ktas / 850 km/h Long-Range Cruise Speed Mach 0.80 / 459 ktas / 850 km/h Mmo (Maximum Allowable Mach Number) Mach 0.88 Takeoff Distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,450 ft 1, 661 m Landing Distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 3,190 ft 972 m Initial Cruise Altitude 41,000 ft 12,497 m Maximum Cruise Altitude 45,000 ft 13,716 mLength 88 ft 4 in 26.9 m / Height 24 ft 5 in 7.4 m /Wingspan 77 ft 10 in 23.7 mG-500Maximum Range(8 passengers, 4 crew, NBAA IFR reserves) 5,800 nm 10,742 km Normal Cruise Speed Mach 0.85 / 488 ktas / 904 km/h Long-Range Cruise Speed Mach 0.80 / 459 ktas / 850 km/h Mmo (Maximum Operating Mach Number) Mach 0.885 Takeoff Distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,150 ft 1,570 m Landing Distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 2,770 ft 844 m Initial Cruise Altitude 43,000 ft 13,106 m Maximum Cruise Altitude 51,000 ft 15,545 mLength 96 ft 5 in 29.4 m / Height 25 ft 10 in 7.9 m / Wingspan 93 ft 6 in 28.5 mG-550Maximum Range(8 passengers, 4crew, NBAA IFR reserves) 6,750 nm 12,501 km at Mach 0.80 6,000 nm 11,112 km at Mach 0.85 5,000 nm 9.260 km at Mach 0.87 Mmo (Maximum Operating Mach Number) Mach 0.885 Takeoff Distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,910 ft 1,801 m Landing Distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 2,770 ft 844 m Initial Cruise Altitude 41,000 ft 12,497 m Maximum Cruise Altitude 51,000 ft 15,545 mLength 96 ft 5 in 29.4 m / Height 25 ft 10 in 7.9 m / Wingspan 93 ft 6 in 28.5 m

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Oh! and forgot to say Hornit, that these are really very nice ... can't wait to get them and fly it.

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I will be uploading a fix shortly so that the numbers on each engine can be changed. Unfortunately this will only be for the original Gulf-IV version 2 model that's in the library. The source file for your model was contained on a disk that my son dropped then stepped on. Fortunately I had backups for everything except the model with the more transparent windows...Rick Sasala

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Glad to hear that it flies well as I was guessing all the way on this one? I believe fuel burn can be changed in the aircraft .cfg file, but don't quote me on that. Engine gauges were a tough one as many don't exist. I tried re-painting the original gauges I used but they didn't turn out to well (except for the oil gauge set), so I just replaced those....Rick Sasala

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Hers another, the possibilities are endless, I am saving the good ones for now :) Will download later.Rick, So my model file and glass_t bitmap are the ONLY ones with this more transparent window? Can I just apply this to the new version you are going to do with the seperate nacelle textures?? Just curious.Thanks again!http://www.xplanefreeware.net/freehost/hornit/g4c.JPG

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Yes, you have the only one I made. You will be able to apply this fix to your model but it will change the windows back to the way they were (with the original glass_t.bmp, I don't know what they will look like with the glass_t.bmp you have?) as the transparency info is contained in the .mdl file..Rick

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I too LOVE Ricks Gulfstream IV :)These repaints are real good looking too. Are they real world liveries? or just liveries that are made up?

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I'm making them up at this point, but they are based on real world photos. At least the configuration of the lines and paint are VERY similar to what you see on real world Gulfstream's.Hornit

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Thanks for the ID info. Rick looks like those might be drawing from early in the design stages of the C-20G. Seems to be what happened is they dropped the aft window on the port side in favor of an escape hatch. Don't really know why they only came out with just 2 windows on port side, maybe a structural thing with the cargo door.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3dfac42061ae8d48.jpghttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3dfac5246444264e.jpg:-outtahttp://publish.hometown.aol.com/p3superb/images/675-2fs.jpg

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I'm not sure what they have anymore? Are those VR-48 aircraft? Were did you find those pics at? I do know for sure that the one my wife got to fly in out of NAS JAX, did in fact have 6 windows on the port side. Unfortunately I didn't get a look at the starboard side?...Rick Sasala

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These are of VR-51's, both of them as well as the Marine C-20G here only have 5 windows port/2 starboard. I flew on one of the VR-48 aircraft and it to only had 5, I was sitting next to the escape hatch, wishing I had a window seat. I took the pictures, have a few more but not of the greatest quality....Here a couple more...http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3dfacbfe736a929f.jpghttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3dfacc2c73a9b9aa.jpghttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3dfacc55740f15e5.jpgThe Buno's are 165151 -Navy "City of Honolulu"165152 -Navy "Spirt of Wake Island"165153 -Marine This one doesn't have an offical name though all refer to it as "Goast" Which is the callsign they use with it more times than not.Here's an airliners.net pic of the VR-48 aircraft I flew on...http://www.airliners.net/open.file/289174/L/Here's a pic of thier other one...http://www.airliners.net/open.file/146993/L/As far as I know, The Navy only has 4 C-20G's 2 in VR-51 and 2 in VR-48Thier buno's are165093 "City of Annapolis"165094 "City of Baltimore"The Air Force calls thier GIV's C-20H's they have 6 windows, and no gargo door.:-outtahttp://publish.hometown.aol.com/p3superb/images/675-2fs.jpg

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How to tell the GIV from the GV:It's the size, first of all. Looking at the two on the ramp side by side doesn't come close to comparing. The specs on the IV (400) is Length 88 ft 4 in 26.9 m Height 24 ft 5 in 7.4 m Wingspan 77 ft 10 in 23.7 m and the V (500) isLength 96 ft 5 in 29.4 m Height 25 ft 10 in 7.9 m Wingspan 93 ft 6 in 28.5 m The V SP (550) is the same size as the V but goes a whole lot farther. There is also an extra window on the right side of the 500/550, which can be removed if the owner chooses to have it removed in favor of another application, like if a crew rest area is put in, and they don't want a window, or a second galley is put in, movie viewing area, etc...... Hope it helps,Bo

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Rick, This has been a learning experience for me. Didn't know the USAF had GIV's till yesterday thought they only had GIII's and GV's. That probably what confused me was the windows, as I thought GIV's had 5 and GV's had 6 that's the reason for the visual clue question. I knew there was a size difference, but I have never seen them side by side. The VC-37's (GV) usually go into Hicham AFB, Though on was over here a couple of weeks ago, but as it figures, none of the C-20G's were around. The Navy flys the crap out of them, The 2 here are only like 7 years old and both just went over the 20,000 hour mark this year.:-outtahttp://publish.hometown.aol.com/p3superb/images/675-2fs.jpg

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It's been a learning experience for me as well! Wish they had C-20's when I was active duty, I would have changed rates to fly in those....Rick Sasala

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Hornit, Just wondering if you're taking requests for repaints.... In my opinion (whatever that's worth) we need some GIV's with some color... You can go to airliners.net and reference the following aircraftN800CCD-AJGKN257HN9253VVH-TCGHB-IKROr if you'd be willing to tell me what I need to do repaints, and how to do them, I'd be willing to give it a shot...Thanks,Bo Gercke

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