September 15, 200520 yr Its always so glass smooth,Ive tried diffrent settings in ASV options,I have weather turned off in FSUIPC,all settings are correct in msfs9 for ASV weather,I use online updates,weather is correct where ever in the world I go,I chase the winds trying to find turbulence but always so smooth.not at all like it is when I fly for real,I must have a setting wrong somewhere?
September 15, 200520 yr Hi,Turn up the VAS% to 100. Also, when the next Service Release is made public you will be able to set the strength to 100%. This will add turbulence to your experience.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg
September 15, 200520 yr Commercial Member Also, you can increase your turbulencescale value in fs9.cfg to get more of an obvious effect from standard FS9 turbulence triggers..Best, Damian ClarkHiFi Simulation Technologies
September 16, 200520 yr The registered version of fsuipc randomly generates turbulence with settings for in cloud and clear air turbulence.
September 17, 200520 yr Commercial Member ASV does this as well without reliance on FSUIPC, but it is intelligent based on winds, air stability, cloud types, etc...Many users have complained about excessive turbulence, many have complained about not enough turbulence. Thing to remember is, it is always dictated by the weather conditions. If there's no wind and air is stable on a cold day (or night), there is not much chance of turbulence near the ground, for example. High winds, unstable vertical rising air, terrain, reported gusts, higher temperatures, proximity to jet stream, etc, can all cause higher turbulence.Of course your turbulencescale value in fs9.cfg also has a big effect on the amount of turbulence you'll experience overall. A default setting here is recommended.Best, Damian ClarkHiFi Simulation Technologies
October 26, 200520 yr Resurrecting this subject, does ASVE use TURB in METAR report to set turbulence in wind layers ?I noticed my last flight the current ASVE METAR report for the weather station I was at had MOD/SEV TURB BLW 5000 in the report.So I took off and flew around the airport below 5000 but wasn't experiencing any turbulence. So I had a quick look at the Weather Menu -> User-defined (which I assume ASVE uses) and selected the station I was at, looked at the defined weather and everything was as per the METAR report (clouds, wind strength & dir'n, visibility etc). But none of the wind layers had any turbulence set (all set to 'None').Is this normal or do I have a problem ?ThanksDave
October 26, 200520 yr Hi,Normal, as ASV will not read the TURB in the METAR.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg
October 27, 200520 yr I just turned the VAS up to 90%. All this did was cause large up and down draughts.On final at 3 mile I suddenly got an updraught/thermal which lasted for what seemed like ages (over half a minute) and had to fly my VC10 with 15 degrees nose down to remain on the glide, then it suddenly dissapeared and I faught to stop it ploughing straight into the ground.I have switched back to 40% ;-)I think when people talk about turbulence they mean general bumpiness, strong (instantaneous) gusts rolling and pitching the aircraft. You do get this from the standard FS weather. Would there be any way of enhancing this.I know that Airline Simulator 2 (excellent old DOS program) recreated turbulance and gusts excellently.
October 27, 200520 yr Commercial Member Hi,The standard FS turbulence effect has been tamed down a bit for various reasons... FSUIPC's author Pete Dowson also claims that the new wind smoothing features have affected it.Fortunately we have been working on something new to enhance turbulence a bit (for those that want it!) and also give the user control of the overall turb intensity and frequency (which will also be affected by existing conditional influences such as low air stability, higher temps, terrain, etc.). It is rare to see turbulence observed in METAR reports (at least in a common format, anyway) so we will not be going that route. The conditional influences should be more accurate and consistent world-wide.Look for these improvements (and many more) in the next free service update for ASVE... No time schedules yet, but it shouldn't be too long..Best, Damian ClarkHiFi Simulation Technologies
October 28, 200520 yr A little surprised that you say turbulence is rarely referenced in metar reports as as in Australia it is quite common to have something like "moderate turbulence below 5000 ft" eg at YSSY when a southerly buster is surging up the NSW coast, same at YMML after a strong cold front or with a pre-frontal northerly wind - always disapointing when these conditions are not translated into the sim experience. A Thai Airways A340 blew out two tyres and had a fire in the undercarriage after a hard landing in these conditions at YMML just the other day.Bruceb Bruce Bartlett Frodo: "I wish none of this had happened." Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
October 28, 200520 yr Hi Damian,Hope you can do something that works as well as Peter James' rendition in Looking Glass's Flight Unlimited III series. (Ah, Peter James. A name for FS geezers.)Perhaps someone else can describe it better. It was more of a fluid turbulence. The FS9 version is a bit more "random jerkiness" than a feeling of bumpy airflow.In any case, kudos to you for working on this feature. Very nice.Best,Mike MacKuen --Mike MacKuen
October 29, 200520 yr Commercial Member Hi Bruce,Thus the "in a common format anyway" disclaimer... In my personal experience I have rarely see such METAR remarks even when turb is significant, but in that case airmets and pireps have given the picture (something else we'd like to implement!). I suppose geographic location and local reporting practices have heavy influence here...We've generally stayed away from trying to interpret RMK items (we actually get rid of such data in the pre-processing stage) since there is no ICAO rule or format to govern this (its not unusual to have the actual person creating the report to type it in, in the format of their choice which can vary day by day or even hour by hour). However, theoretically, we could look for the most common representations such as TB, TRB, TURB, TURBULENCE, BLO, BELOW, the altitude string, etc... We will have to work on this and try it out.. agreed it would be a nice addition. Of course we need to finish getting the turbulence effect working desirably first :)Thanks for the comments..Best, Damian ClarkHiFi Simulation Technologies
October 29, 200520 yr I still have Flight Unlimited III on my PC.The weather vis and turbulence is absolutely miles ahead of anything FS9 offers (not bad for a program which is over a decade old).I especially love flying near thunderstorm in my Beech400 and suddenly loosing vis as I enter the rainstrom, whilst trying to keep the aircraft in the air through the excellent turbulence. The turbulence i very fluid, moving the aircraft around all 3 axis at once.Do you ASV guys still have a copy to see what we are talking about. I realise that the constraints of FS9 stop you from doing a lot of things, which make your achievements all the more amazing.Still sad to think that there is a 10 year old sim out there which is streets ahead of Microsoft.
October 31, 200520 yr Commercial Member Hi,I remember, yes there were many things that were way ahead of its time!As far as being "streets ahead of Microsoft"... well, in some departments but FS9 has some very nice features as well we haven't seen ever before, and of course its simulating the entire world in pretty nice detail (perhaps the greatest thing about it). In time things can only get better!Best, Damian ClarkHiFi Simulation Technologies
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