>A 15% performance boost for $160 worth of DDR2 ram? Show us that >magic memory trick. We're all hopeful. Where did I ever say or insinuate you could get a 15% performance boost for 150 bucks of DDR2 Sam?Where did I ever post any type of FSX performance curve involved?I already provided evidence that there is a defined difference between DDR2 and DDR3 and I stated quite clearly there was no way to gauge it. I also stated quite clearly that you will be hard pressed to match it with DDR2 without extra cooling and that is why I have suggested to Noel he either spend the money or just wait till his next purchase.Instead of challenging what I have said in a clever way, lets try something else since I already presented a well considered/established test bed and result... can -you- prove it wrong?1T is not a lead bone although it

Noel,Please post your results with these as I am trying to decide between them and the DDR2-1200 Patriots. You've probabaly read the same reports as I have, but it appears that people are only getting the CAS 3 with two 1gb sticks installed, not with 4 sticks. By the way, the price of these is now $116 a pair, so you're already doing good.Ted

Nick,I didn't read Sam's post as he was insinuating that you were making any performance claims. I understood his point just to be that to get the last 10 or 15 percent improvement is going to cost you dearly.Its actually been Noel and I that have been trying to pin you down to some defined performance increases for cost with different memory for the last couple of weeks. Unsuccessfully I might add. :-lol Here's the difference. I have the impression that you work with and test the latest hardware all the time in your occupation. You've seen what hardware combinations work well together and what it can do. You know what performance you will get, you know what it costs and you want it.The rest of us chumps are at the mercy of the hardware companies marketing departments, clueless tech support, and various forums trying to make an educated guess on hardware purchases. We know what things cost, but don't know what performance improvement we are going to get. We just roll the dice and hope what we eventually select all works together. For this reason, I am not willing to spend $1000 on leading edge hardware that will probably be $500 in 9 months and I don't know how much better it will perform than $300 hardware today.You are in a lot riskier position to spend $1000 on the latest hardware. You are the man in the know Nick and that's why we keep trying to pin you down to performance benefits.I sense some frustration on both sides in some of the posts so I hope I added some perspective and understanding. We all appreciate your help and contributions here and don't want you to stop posting. And we promise we'll keep asking questions like, "Just how much sharper will my textures be if I switch my RAM from ddr2 800 to ddr2 1000?" Hang in there and I promise I'll buy all the GEX areas just as soon as I can figure out what parts to put in my new computer and get it running.Now back to those shimmering trees and water.....I got off topic again..... Ted

"A 15% performance boost for $160 worth of DDR2 ram? Show us that magic memory trick. We're all hopeful."Chill dude. I wasn't talking to (or about) you.

>Noel,>>Please post your results with these as I am trying to decide>between them and the DDR2-1200 Patriots. You've probabaly read>the same reports as I have, but it appears that people are>only getting the CAS 3 with two 1gb sticks installed, not with>4 sticks. Hi Ted,Some testimony:Pros: 4 gigs of these. Super fast. set right now at 800 mhz 3-4-4-15 2.32v. had them up too 960mhz 4-4-4-15 and can go much higher. they had a $20 rebate so i got another pair (making four gigs now)Cons: get warm so i have the ocz cooler sitting on top. not really a con though.At least this person says they had success. One other poster said he couldn't get CAS 3 with 4 modules installed. Perhaps there is a possibility the other person's mainboard just wasn't up to it. Anyway, I'll know pretty soon . . .By the way, the price of these is now $116 a pair,>so you're already doing good.>>Ted Try directron.com. I got them for $78/pair there . . .QX9650 w/ Retail HSF|8GB Muskin PC-6400|ASUS P5E|EVGA 8800GT @700|Seagate SATA 2 x 4|Seagate Cheetah 15K.x|XP Pro|Vista 64--soon to be installed

Thanks for the tip on directron.comWhen you are doing your tuning and testing, it would also be interesting to know which provides you with more benefit, this CALWI optimization or increasing the memory from 2 to 4 gb.Looking forward to hearing about your results,Ted

Thank you Ted. It was comforting to hear from someone who had questions as well. I think a true performance benchmark for FSX, ie, one that scaled linearly with user satisfaction, through measuring indicators of texture loading speed & image clarity, smoothness of flight, factoring in image complexity, etc. I did set up a test environment that provided 100's of miles of consistent stress in the terrain foreground and was struck that textures updating to the next sharpess iteration was somewhat spotty and visible. I don't normally see this, but the scenario was sufficiently hard to process so that it stressed my configuration more than usual. Still had good frames, and good overall satisfaction. I'll try to set up the new memory and see if I can appreciate a difference. The sim performs so well as it is now, I'm guessing 115% of very good is . . . very good + I'm hoping for all 4GB at CAS 3, and anything over 800Mhz would just be bonus. If we can't do CAS 3 with 4Gb installed, I will send them all back. I def want not less than 4GB. I am currently running at 400Mhz FSB with a 1:1 divider, so improving latency if CAS 3 happens with the OCZ x 4GB will be an excellent test for where CALWI optimization can be the main diffence since bandwidth will be the same. Keeping my fingers crossed on all 4 modules flying.Noel

The OCZ's are now running stable at EPP vDIMM of 2.4v at 866Mhz @ CAS 3, 1:1 divider, for a CALWI value of 6.9ns. All four. 1T boots sometimes, and not other, so is def not doable at these speeds. Pretty amazing stuff for the bucks . . .QX9650 w/ Retail HSF|8GB Muskin PC-6400|ASUS P5E|EVGA 8800GT @700|Seagate SATA 2 x 4|Seagate Cheetah 15K.x|XP Pro|Vista 64--soon to be installed

Do you notice any difference in FSX with this memory maxed out vs. at more relaxed settings? say 4-4-4-15 2T or vs. the Mushkin? Just curious what this investment in fine tuning is yielding.

Yes, this was my question as well. I think it's as I've said, you get a % increase in performance (as prev defined) by optimizing memory. By pure anecdote, I seem to be seeing a visible improvement. Notice the word seem. It's really all SO relevant to the context we are talking about. All sliders hard right, including traffic, in a PMDG 747, light bloom on, ok so now the hottest rocket only will do 50% "of perfect." So the DDR2 machine now does . . . 46%. Both suck. What about when you're in the 96-100% range? I need to do a little more testing by downgrading back to my mushkins n just see how it compares.So far, I think it allows me a little more complexity if you will. Even the mushkins at 400Mhz 4-4-4-10 were very decent, and allowed me to achieve 90+% of perfection. Ted, I think what I am guilty of is INCREASING COMPLEXITY as much as my machine can handle. So basically, I settle on a tolerable performance level, and titrate complexity/features so as not to hurt performance below my baseline acceptable level. So, in the end, best memory will get me more complexity ultimately.I'm happy I bought the OCZ as it were. And if they burn out, then back to mushkins at 1103 CAS 5, which as I recall so far, despite it's crappy latency, did very well anecdotally.I'm on vacation and will be away so will have to try the mushmems when I get back May 26th.QX9650 w/ Retail HSF|8GB Muskin PC-6400|ASUS P5E|EVGA 8800GT @700|Seagate SATA 2 x 4|Seagate Cheetah 15K.x|XP Pro|Vista 64--soon to be installed

New o'clocking record with these OCZ's, all 4 of them:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/188455.jpgStill have vDIMM set at the rated 2.4v. Next thing I need to try is how far they'll go at CAS 5.QX9650 w/ Retail HSF|8GB Muskin PC-6400|ASUS P5E|EVGA 8800GT @700|Seagate SATA 2 x 4|Seagate Cheetah 15K.x|XP Pro|Vista 64--soon to be installed