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I resently purchased the DVD version of the program and am very happy with it so far, however I am seeing some differences from the demo version I did a few months ago.1.) When flying the IFR plan with SIDs and STARS there is no mention of either the SID or the STAR. When I flew the demo the program would tell me to fly " STAR name here". Is this the correct behaviour? When flying that plan it did not follow the STAR procedures. BTW the procedures are setup correctly and are in the userproc folder.2.) According the instructions you should receive your filed altitude prior to getting to the STJ intersection (when flying the same plan as above). I never get a change of altitude anywhere along the route. If I reset VOX Atc it immediatly tells me to respond with "climbing to FL200". Hmmm. Is this normal? I thought I had read on this forum the the program would give you step climb to your filed altitude.How I installed the program.Installed from the DVD first which installed the ATT voices and the program. Removed the program through Add/remove programs. Downloaded and installed the latest version from the web. Which brings to mind another question how can you tell which version you are using?Any help would be appreciatedThanksHarald

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Hi Harald,You have to specify a SID or STAR and you can use the VoxATC SID/STAR wizard to do this to an already saved flight with flightplan. If you haven't input this information the program will go to default mode and give you vectors to intercept the first point on your flightplan and will name that point correctly. Upon reaching that first point your usual command is to contact center. At this point you can hit zero to bring up the options menu and from there you can select the option for asking for your cruise altitude.

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Thanks for that Zane,>>You have to specify a SID or STAR and you can use the VoxATC>SID/STAR wizard to do this to an already saved flight with>flightplan. If you haven't input this information the program>will go to default mode and give you vectors to intercept the>first point on your flightplan and will name that point>correctly. But I'm using the default SID/STAR flight and I did go through the setup wizard and it still used the default mode. Any ideas?Upon reaching that first point your usual command>is to contact center. At this point you can hit zero to bring>up the options menu and from there you can select the option>for asking for your cruise altitude.So what your are saying is that you are not given higher altitudes you have to request them. Is that correct?Harald

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Hmmm... I'll have to check this out. I have some programs on my computer that are giving VoxATC X a bit of a problem right now so might have to test on my laptop. The climb to altitude command was usually given after passing your first waypoint on your flightplan or after completing the SID, I found that it sometimes was taking too long and the request for cruise altitude allowed for getting that climb earlier. If it's not triggering now something may have been changed. I will try the demo flight again (it has been a while ;) ) to see if the SID is not working on it. Understand I am testing v5.36 and I think the last release was 5.34, I'll put 5.34 on my laptop.

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Zane,Thanks for testing that. I will also try and remove my program and test with out doing the registration to see if it makes any difference. Will post back with the results.Harald

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Well I tried an uninstall and then a complete uninstall including ATT voices and still no joy. Discovered I can't run it unregistered once you register the progrom. Harald

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Your right Harald. Something's broke! This used to work... and I am quite sure it was still working after SP1 and after UTX. Now I've got Accelerate installed and that's on both systems and the SID/STAR function no longer seems to make a difference in the flightplan. May be a coincidence with Accelerate, may be another glitch with a Microsoft update, I'm not sure. I know Tegwyn will be looking this over so hopefully I will hear from him if he needs any logs from me.

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Thanks ZaneJust so you know I do not have acceleration installed but I do have all the latest MS patches. I have a download of a version from around June I will try that just to test my system to make sure it works.Harald

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Well I installed version 5.32 and it did not work for me either, I would agree that an MS patch could be the culprit. I will wait for an update from you and thanks again for looking at this.HaraldEDIT:I also tried 3 different versions of FSUIPC and it didn't make a difference.

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FYI I am running ver 5.34 and have acceleration installed and the STAR's I created with the SID-Star utility prior to installing Acceleration are still functional. I always load my default flight prior to loading the flight with the added SID or STAR otherwise the SID-STAR will not be implemented by VoxATC. I will add some more SID-STARS and see if the utility still works.

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Bruce,Thanks for that. I tried your method with a little twist, since I don't use a default flight I loaded the the same flight twice and that seemed to do the trick. However like Zane said it should work on the first load. I do have a question for you though do you ever get your cruise altitude when using a SID? I flew the default SID/STAR flight and was never given my cruise altitude. Based on some of the travling I've done mostly on United where you can listen to the real ATC, altitude was always assigned. In other words cross intersection blah blah at FLxxx.RegardsHarald

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Harald,Glad you the STAR-SID feature to work. Loading any flight does allow the SID-STAR to be implemented. This issue is addressed on the VoxATC web site in the FAQ section. As for loading my default fight I generally do that before I load a flight with addon aircraft. This goes back at least one FS version and it seemed to help with compatability issues. As for altitude assigments I don't check ATC in the SID-STAR setup and just comply with the altitudes entered when I generate the SID-STAR. I typically just use this feature to avoid mountainous terrain on arrivals as VoxATC doen't take terrain into account. As for altitude assignments I just request my desired cruise altitude when I contact Center. Not exactly realworld ATC procedure but thats all we can do with this version. Hopefully the next release will improve some of these issues.

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Bruce,Thanks for your response, but it seems to me if you're going to use ATC that altitude assignments would be part of the experience. Don't get me wrong I'm not being critical of the program I think it's great and adds another level of realism. I just finished a flight into Chicago with procedures and the program brought me in nicely to 32L. I didn't have to go 50 miles out of my way like the MS ATC does. Harald

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I have had VoxATC for some time now. A wonderful experience indeed!I have also (like most FSX buffs) purchased many addon aircraft.As always I use the VoxATC Indexer and the Panel Setup after any install of aircraft or scenery.Always no problems, until today. I purchased Aerosoft's DHC-6 Twin Otter X. A marvelous sim aircraft! A pleasure to fly. One of the most accurate dynamics ever in a PC Plane...but my VoxATC will not reccognize this aircraft in FSX.It is listed in the Panel Setup menu along with some other addons. These aircraft always show up (unchecked) in the VoxATC Panel Setup menu, and VoxATC does not appear in these planes in FSX.Anyone else have this problem with addons? Are these planes supported by VoxAtc?Please help.Thanks guy's.Ken

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Ken,I'm not sure if this is supported but what I did was add an entry in the AircraftDesignation.xml for a plane that wasn't recognized by VoxAtc. I just copied one of the "AircraftType" sections and modified it so the program would recognize my plane. Besure to make a backup before making changes. A little bit of XML editing is required so be cautious. The file is located under C:Documents and SettingsApplication DataInternal WorkingsVoxATC X. Hope this helpsHarald

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Thanks so kindly Harald.I found the files, but I'm not quite sure what to do here?I have two folders in there that are named 1) Aircraft Designations and 2) AircraftTypeNames.Number 2 folder has the specific new addon aircraft(s) listed.The number 1 folder does not.I'm not quite sure what or how you edited this Harald?ThanksPS...Yesterday I did however see the VoxATC menu appear but only once in my new DHC-6 Twin Otter add-on. But never again. How strange is that?

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Ken,I can put together a Word document with a more detailed explanation and pictures for editing the XML file . It's hard to explain here in the forums. Just a note the menu only appears in 2D cockpit when you open FS. To make it appear in virtual cockpit you need to open it manually. Harald

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That would be great Harald! Thanks so much.Last night, VoxATC appeared in my DHC-6 Twin Otter (yes it is only in the 2D, or manual from "Views" menu in 3D, but it's usually not there). BUT...it only appears in the "regular old 300 model" or the "Skis" model, not the "modern 300 version"???Also, in the VoxATC Panel Setup menu, the entire Twin Otter collection and my "Wings of Power" aircraft always appear in this menu. I must check the boxes and click "install". But they ALWAYS appear there over and over, even after I click install??? So I do not think they are installing.I uninstalled those aircraft and reinstalled, but to no avail.Thanks Harald.Ken

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If an aircraft continues to appear in the panel setup after running panel setup it is an aliased panel. The VoxATC entry is not recognized in an aliased panel.cfg. Keep a note as to which aircraft this happens so you don't continue to try to install to that type of panel.cfg, I think the default Maule will also show this. The VoxATC will be in the panel the alias assignment refers to so it should work.Since the VoxATC prompter is an individual panel entry you could utilize a key entry to show/hide it. In default aircraft the main 2d window is assigned to shift-1, the radio stack shift-2. This will only work if the VoxATC panel entry is a low enough number on the entries. Shift-9 is the last usable key press for showing/hiding a 2d panel. If the aircraft you are working with has more panel entries you could use a panel editing tool such as FSPanel Studio or open the panel.cfg with notepad and do some editing, even utilizing one of the panel icons in the VC and assigning it to bring up the VoxATC prompter.

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No quite sure what you mean here exactally??? Aliased? (beyond my knowledge base)I get VoxATC in the other models of the same DHC, so why would one model be an "Aliased" panel and the others of that same model addon, not be?"The VoxATC will be in the panel the alias assignment refers to so it should work."............I don't understand this "aliased assignment" and what to do?Also, I have no problem calling up VoxATC from any panel(s) (if it is loaded into that panel to begin with).Thanks so kindly,Ken

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An example of an aliased panel would be the default FSX Maule with skis. If you open the panel.cfg file for that aircraft it reads:// Maule M7 260C Skis// Copyright © 1999-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[fltsim]alias=Maule_M7_260CpanelThus is it aliased to the panel used in the wheeled Maule. If you run the panel setup tool in VoxATC this aircraft will always be listed because there are no panel listings in the cfg file. You will accumulate numbered backups in the panel folder for the Maule with skis since the change is never recorded and the VoxATC panel setup tool never sees the mod. The panel that the alias refers to does have the VoxATC mod and will work when flying this version of the plane.I do see a potential problem for aircraft that do not include any 2d panel and rely solely on a virtual cockpit. Since the VoxATC prompter is itself a gauge which is referred to in a popup 2d panel you need to have your startup situation set to start in 2d panel and not VC. Even switching to the 2d panel after starting in the VC might not always work. You can try going through the key commands for 2d panels by pressing the shift key and one of the upper keyboard numbers 1 through 9 to see if you can find it that way. I wouldn't expect the numbering convention to be the same for all aircraft since it will depend on the number of 2d panel assignments for that particular aircraft and there are many aircraft out there with more than ten 2d panel assignments, making the additional VoxATC prompter assignment a number too high for this method to always work.

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Thanks!I'll play around with this and see if it will work.VoxATC works with the other versions of DHC-6 Twin Otter (just not the "modern" 300), so I will check the panel listings in the config files.Thanks for all the help. Just not the "real-thing" without my VoxATC!Ken

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Hi Ken,If you know how to find the panel.cfg file for this specific aircraft attach it to this forum post and I will take a look at it.

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Nothing to really send you.Only one model with VoxATC working. This aircraft has an additional folder in it (all other models only have one folder called "panel")called "panel.org" In this folder is a configuration file for VoxATC. All other models have only one folder called "panel".In this file is only the line..."(fltsim) alis=Aerosoft Twin Otter 300panel.org"Also I see all other aircraft have a configuration for VoxATC in the .config files.Thanks,Ken

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