October 26, 200619 yr How does FS9 calculate N1? This value seems very arbitrary! In FDE, everything is done in terms of CN1. I can set CN1 to remain constant from sea level to nearly any altitude with a good IAP ratio.For example, on this freeware panel I'm using, I'll set climb thrust to something like, say, 108% N1. The value is gradually decreasing from sea level and up. By FL350, for example, the N1 value (and N2 for that matter) would have dropped to something around 103% or so, whilst CN1 (via AFSD reading) remained at 108% throughout the climb.My question now is, is there any way to take control of how N1 is calculated the keep it constant? At high altitude, when firewalling throttles, the N1 never reaches the max values whilst CN1 most certainly does.Let me know if I need to be more specific here. This is a real annoyance. Does FS9 simply pull this N1 value out of its rear end? What does it answer to?
October 26, 200619 yr Commercial Member You do understand that N1 and CN1 are not one and the same? N1 should reflect altitude change, CN1 should not. Sounds like it's working as expected to me. Ed Wilson Mindstar AviationMy Playland - I69
October 26, 200619 yr Author I know this, but I'm trying to determine the formula FS uses to calculate its N1 decrease per speed and altitude. It falls off so much that seems unnatural.CN1 is a lot easier to use because it's an absolute indication of power in FDE that the aircraft is creating.
October 26, 200619 yr Check with Ron at the airdecode forum: http://www.avhistory.org/scripts/MegaBBS/f...w.asp?forumid=5JohanA LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION, AND A LITTLE MORE ACTION PLEASE
October 26, 200619 yr In MSFS, Nx = CNx * sqrt((TAT+273)/288)where x = 1 or 2, i.e. N1 or N2TAT = Total Air Temp in deg CRegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 27, 200619 yr Author Hi Bob.I did some testing of your equation and it wasn't working out for me.My example:CN1 at FL330 was reading 94.8%.According to AFSD, the N1 reading is 89.86%.In order for CN1 = 89.86 the following had to be true: CN1 x (273/288.15)= N1. Theta wasn't even a factor.At the time, the TAT was -50.2
October 27, 200619 yr Author Ok, I think I found the issue. sqrt is not square root of Theta, but Theta_totTheta_tot = Theta(1+.2m
October 27, 200619 yr Hello,I have just answered that on AvHistory.I am glad some of you are doing your homework ;-)It is all spelt out on Herve's site under Turbojet notes.I even provide ISA tables.Ian
October 27, 200619 yr Correct. Looks like you were using OAT in your computation instead of TAT the first time around.TAT = OAT * (1 + 0.2M^2)However, FS computes TAT for you, so the formula I provided you based on TAT uses the already-computed value of TAT as derived by FS from OAT and Mach number.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 27, 200619 yr Author Ahh, see, this is why I'm a communications major and not a math major. Thanks!
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