Captain Sim is having a great FS9 sale!

[bkeske 0]

I agree that it is great that Carenado is doing this, I have a few Carenado aircraft, and will take advantage of their offer when I finally 'spring' for FSX.But....Lets remember, Carenado aircraft are fairly simply. Wonderfull, but simple. As is the F1 Cessna 172 they have released for FSX at no cost. There are many other offerings that have been produced for FS9 that just are not as easy to re-create for FSX, I can appreciate that, and may be willing to pay (something) for the 're-release' of those aircraft.I just don't think you can lump everyone in the 'Carenado camp', nor is that fair. And I'm a big Carenado supporter.

[Guest]

I like many others are growing tired of CS basically selling things they don't have and then telling you they don't care and they will only make the additions for FS10 while they sold you the previous products 1 year ago.. Burned once, will live with it. Burned twice, the fool is on you and i am not a fool. Their draconian excuse of a customer support (CCCP censorship at it's best) filters both bug reports, customer desires and disputes to a level that makes CS look good. Buyer beware...

[Guest]

>Anyone care to guess what that could possibly mean? Since>there is no release notes anywhere to be found before you>download it (or purchase it if you don't have the 757>already), there is no way to know what "FS9 version features>do not work in FSX.">in 2 words? there is no 757 for FS9. they never started on it and from the very beginning they planned to make the final blocks FSX only. Read carefully, they say that. There is a hint of a possible FS9 "update" to port the FSX blocks back to FS IF and only IF CS sees fit to do so. There you have it.

[Guest JTEK99]

It's all so comical.I (and others) have made posts stating de facto that the "Block F" would never see the light of day. On this forum and others, the CapSim a really excited user come out and bash, but basically, it's the truth. See:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=313986&page=http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323715&page=http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=325041&page=http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=306012&page=http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323890&page=See some of those same threads for responses by CaptainSim and laugh. But for the *clearest* explanation given on the CaptainSim development and marketing systems, see Mike T's (AVSIM Staff Reviewer) post here:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323940&page=Totally accurate and a hoot to read in retrospect.

[Ricardo41 5,954]

The only way to deal with these kinds of lies and deceits is for flightsim sites like this one to immediately pull all reviews and advertising for Captain Sim. In addition, sites like simmarket.com should kick their products off of their list of merchandise they sell; thirdly, simmers who bought the product should ask their credit card companies to reverse the charges. Too funny:" 2. Development for FS9 (including upgrades, 757 Block F/D, new products) is temporary on hold (but not finally terminated yet) until we release FSX upgrades for the 757 and C-130. At that point in time we will re-consider the FSX vs FS9 situation and announce our FS9 related plans."ricardo

[Steve Dra 7,588]

>It's all so comical.>>I (and others) have made posts stating de facto that the>"Block F" would never see the light of day. On this forum and>others, the CapSim a really excited user come out and bash, but basically,>it's the truth. See:>>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=313986&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323715&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=325041&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=306012&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323890&page=>>See some of those same threads for responses by CaptainSim and>laugh. But for the *clearest* explanation given on the>CaptainSim development and marketing systems, see Mike T's>(AVSIM Staff Reviewer) post here:>>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323940&page=>>Totally accurate and a hoot to read in retrospect.Thanks for the very informative post JTEK99. Its troubling to see just how long this has been going on, and I

[Guest]

>It's all so comical.>>I (and others) have made posts stating de facto that the>"Block F" would never see the light of day. On this forum and>others, the CapSim a really excited user come out and bash, but basically,>it's the truth. See:>>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=313986&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323715&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=325041&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=306012&page=>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323890&page=>>See some of those same threads for responses by CaptainSim and>laugh. But for the *clearest* explanation given on the>CaptainSim development and marketing systems, see Mike T's>(AVSIM Staff Reviewer) post here:>>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=323940&page=>>Totally accurate and a hoot to read in retrospect.Prime ownage right there. And right on point, people wouldn't have bought anything if they weren't told that the full package is coming in 3 months! That was the original idea anyway.

[Guest]

>The only way to deal with these kinds of lies and deceits is>for flightsim sites like this one to immediately pull all>reviews and advertising for Captain Sim. In addition, sites>like simmarket.com should kick their products off of their>list of merchandise they sell; thirdly, simmers who bought the>product should ask their credit card companies to reverse the>charges. >>Too funny:>>" 2. Development for FS9 (including upgrades, 757 Block F/D,>new products) is temporary on hold (but not finally terminated>yet) until we release FSX upgrades for the 757 and C-130. At>that point in time we will re-consider the FSX vs FS9>situation and announce our FS9 related plans.">>ricardoYes they made this announcement after i and several other people roasted them on their site about a few posts in which they hinted FS10 is first. They of course deleted all traces of that and put this "announcement" and continued to censor citing it as the reason. aka "we've already made it public". Too bad they did that on the 2nd of november, 1 year after they began selling the 757! Hilarious indeed

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[tf51d 284]

The one thing history has shown us with this company since the PayPal fiasco, is after a total Bru-ha-ha over a subject that totally drives their reputation in this community in the mud, they usually end up doing the right thing atleast with the 757 project. As we all know they intially refused to honor all PayPal sales of the C-130 because of a dispute they had with PayPal, but eventually gave in to community pressure! Other examples are when people screamed for wing views, originally they said no, but then after they poll the community reverses their decision, originally due to some confusion over the block system purchase page, some bought Block A, and B resulting in being double charged, since Block B included everything Block A had plus the VC/interior model. They first told them they were out of luck, but then again reversed their postion after the community complained. Also there was no upgrade path to the Block B when all the enhancements were made availble for it but not Block A in the 1.2 upgrade. Esentially making users pay full purchase price just to get the extras. Again after community descent they changed their position. there are other examples. Now after all this about making Block E and F available for FSX instead or FS9, after complaints in general, and concerns over performance, (Which was my main concern and evidentally warranted based on some posts here about it.) They have posted that they may reconsider if this is shown to be true, so there may be some hope yet for the FS9 Block F upgrade. (Although I admit slim at this point!) It's a shame they allow these situations to get completely out of hand before they act properly.

[Guest AOA]

Tom"It's a shame they allow these situations to get completely out of hand before they act properly."It`s not a shame it`s CS modus operendi and I find it despicable.Pete

[Steve Dra 7,588]

>"It's a shame they allow these situations to get completely out of hand before they act >properly.">It`s not a shame it`s CS modus operendi and I find it despicable.I agree Pete. A company shouldn't have to be brow-beaten by its customers before it caves in to the demands that shouldn't even have to be demanded in the first place.Nobody should have to complain that CS should finish what they promised (or implied with their marketing) a year ago when they announced this Block system. We shouldn't have to tell CS that its wrong to just dump its support for FS9 before its met all of its obligations. This company is totally reactive when they (as all companies) should be proactive and forecast the effects of their decisions before they just blurt them out.You can't tell me that nobody in the company didn't think that there wouldn't be a public outcry when they announced their update schedule, indicating that they may not even finish their FS9 obligations.Also, can anyone explain to me why this Block F (the avionics package) seems to NEVER be in beta-testing? In statement after statement for the last 9 months (well, the ones that haven't been deleted), CS continuously says the product is not even in beta yet, when back on August 3rd they posted wonderful looking screens of the FMC and stated:"Just a sneak preview and short progress report on the Block F: development is going very well, most of the systems are functional by now. Standby for updates."Development is going very well? Most of the systems are functional by now? It took them 6 months to get to that stage, and here we are in November, 3 months later, and its STILL not in beta yet?What else could they possibly be working on that would put this package so far behind? I have a guess....the FSX upgrade for their 757 and C-130! Why on earth would they decide to push all other development off the table to focus on that? Recall Business 101, now it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?Ok, go ahead and point out that the 757 FSX update is free (to existing customers remember). Guess what? Block F for FSX won

[Ricardo41 5,954]

I also don't think that we will be able to actually get our money back, but if dozens of unhappy customers file a complaint with the company that handles CS's financial transactions, that's bound to send a message. Would be nice if one of CS's customers were a lawyer. ricardo

[Guest neslesman]

I've never had dealings with CS but after following this thread I'll surely not be having dealings with CS. Karma usually catches up to these types of people or businesses.

[CanadaOne 36]

I admit CS has done a few things I do not like, one of which is charging $6 for the ACE utility (skin manager) and another $6 for the sound set, both for the 757. That's just cheesy. The ACE skin manager was/is free on all the other models. I won't buy the 757 because of that.On the other hand, I would gladly pay $6 for an FSX upgrade for my F-104. I'm a sucker for them dials, gauges, and red hot landings.I understand other people's frustrations, but I admit to being very happy with my CS C-130, F-104, and 707. To me, they look fantastic and I have a lot of fun flying them. And like it says in my sig...