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It is a sad day indeed...Both British Airways & Air France have made the joint decision to retire the entire Concorde fleet by October this year.The reasons are aparrently due to falling numbers of passengers since the Concorde crash, & numerious less serious faults with the rudder, engines & other systems. Despite the modernisation that has been done recently that would have seen Concorde fly until 2010-or so, It seems she simply isn't cost effective any more.Lets hope that NONE of them get scrapped, but are ALL offered to private collectors & air museums, & as many as possible are kept air worthy for displays.What a gal! She'll be missed.Alistair 'Lazarus'

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Bloody hell!!! I Can't even SPELL Concorde properly!!! *LOL*.. Apologies!Al :-)

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I know it has been whispered for months that the end may be near but i still stared at the TV this morning in silence as it was announced that Concorde will fly no more as from november! There are lots of things i'd like to write to honor the achievement and pride i have for her but at present remain speechless. Is anyone else feeling the same? Share your thoughts!!!I want to put her on my AI list just for the last few months! Has anyone achieved it yet?Can someone share with me your nowledge? Ie where did you aquire the flightplans , aircraft etc so i can get her into the air!Many thanksDaren UK

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"isn't cost effective any more"Was it ever? Hasn't it always been subsidized because it's horribly inefficient?I'm happy that more reasonable heads will prevail!Come on, sentiment aside, it's a dinosaur, tech prowess is in planes such as the 747, 777., and Airbuses that can fly the route profitably without govt. handouts.Park it next to the brontosaurus bones where it belongs...;o)John

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>"isn't cost effective any more" >>Was it ever? Hasn't it always been subsidized because it's >horribly inefficient? >>I'm happy that more reasonable heads will prevail! >>Come on, sentiment aside, it's a dinosaur, tech prowess is >in planes such as the 747, 777., and Airbuses that can fly >the route profitably without govt. handouts. >>Park it next to the brontosaurus bones where it >belongs...;o) >>John You are obviously not English then!, and if you are you should be ashamed of yourself! Perhaps Concorde is "inefficient" perhaps it does not have the "technical prowess" of an Airbus or a 777, however It was and remains a marvelous example of British (and French of course) engineering that was way ahead of it's time when it was designed and built and in fact still is way ahead of it's time.I cannot believe anyone who has even the slightest interest in aviation would want to celebrate the demise of such an elegant machine. Your comments sound like those of a typical "bean counter" that have been the ruination of the aviation business that I have been involved with and loved for more years than I care to remember.I for one am sad to see the end of an era. I have never had the pleasure to fly on the aircraft and it's highly unlikely that I will be able to find the money to fulfill a dream and make a flight on Concorde before it finally stops flying. The aircraft you mention may be tecnically superior but they won't get you to New York in under 4 hours! As for Government handouts, when I last looked British Airways was a public company and as such finances the operation of Concorde itself. Hence their sad decision to terminate the service. TimEHAM

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This is very sad news indeed. We must remember that airlines are here for one reason only = to make money. It is much cheaper to fly a Airbus or a Boeing fuel wise and really not many people want to spend thousands extra for a few hours less flight time. I do hope the birds get a good home though..Best Wishes, Randy J. Smith[h5]San Jose Ca[/h5][h3]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"[/h3]AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF3 64 MEG |WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"

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Actually WFO "John"For your Information, prior to the crash, (Which incidentally was caused by crap falling off another supposidly more modern aircraft.)Concorde WAS running a profitable service for BA.She is unique, & respect where respect is due i think :-)Al

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Well, it had to come at sometime, but yes, it will be sad to see it go. Like the majority, i've never flown on Concorde, but for the last twenty one years i've been living a few miles south of Heathrow and it'll be earily quiet not hearing that roar at 11.05am that shakes the ground and rattles our windows and doors!I had the 'pleasure' once of having my ears blown off while standing next to rwy 27R watching it take off! then later in the day i stood under the approach as it landed. So graceful! Unfortunately it takes a mad man or someone insanely rich to blow

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Hear hear ! Like most, I've never been on it, and regret that I probably never will. Like Mark, the noise at 1105 will always be music to my ears. Interestingly, Concorde is always referred to in the singular, as if there's only ever been just the one ! You'd never get someone saying "Oh, there goes the Jumbo"I remember watching live TV coverage of the first trans-Atlantic flight, as Concorde touched down at JFK (if I remember correctly.)Hopefully the fleet will get a dignified retirement at the various Museums.End of an era. The modern planes may be far more efficient, but can't compare with the gut-churning, heart-in-mouth thrill of looking up and seeing the Big White Bird thundering overhead.Alastair

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Yup very sad, will miss it roaring over my house at various times of day. Anyway I'm off to Heathrow later on today to watch it take off at about 7pm local on 09L, make the most of it whilst you can!

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"WAS running a profitable SERVICE"At 10,000+USD, a service to whom?The rich and famous that's who, and nothing but a trophy 'round the neck of the governments that were subsidizing them.More like an ALBATROSS round the neck!!Nothing but a dinosaur, and just as useful!!!!!777!!!And yes I have the extra 2 hours to spare, and I can afford a ticket!!LOL....;o)

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Well as one pilot put it to a similar individual on another forum: Such bold assertions from one who does not even have the data to do the sums. Thankfully you're not the one whose opinion counts.Even so, 34 years after she first flew, the Concorde can still do what no other aircraft could or can - at M2.0 the Olympus 593-610 is the most efficient internal combustion engine yet to fly and on top of that she is flying after most other civil airliners designed in the 50s and 60s have long since been turned into ashtrays. And by airframe use markers she is still younger than the 777.She was right first time, did exactly what the designers asked for (more than anyone has ever asked of a civil transport before or since) and still does. She can and does still cut a profit, fortunately her continued existance is not in the hands of the green-eyes.The fat lady has not sung yet (rumours of her demise are, as yet, exaggerated), but even if she were "on in 10" the Concorde has already proved herself with a flight envelope and life cycle other types have not and will not come close to. A magnificent achievment by any standard, and still going strong.I cannot begin to understand the source of your cynical, almost gleeful anticipation at the unproven concept of the retirement of such a high achievment in aviation.Long may the Concorde continue to lead the way - and it can and still does. But it will be the airline executives who must decide - not the stone chuckers from the pits - but whenever that decision may be (all good things must come to an end) you will be unable to erase over 3 decades of unparalleled (by more than a factor of 2) achievement.Couldn't have said it better myself ! http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3e931daf674e7c54.jpg

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Not sure where you got your info. Concorde never recouped its R&D costs but to hte best of my knowledge it did operate to cover its operational costs. It was never a big money earner though and, because of this, was deemed a commercial failure.JP

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$10 000 USD? Where did you find that info?? It's expensive but not neary that much!

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It started making profits only after 25 years (for the airlines that is, not counting government subsidies) AFAIK. Anyhoo, according to www.welt.de, the BA aircraft have all been promised to various museums already, for those who were worried. Misha

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WFO, the concorde is still younger in terms of hours on the airframe than even the 777. And another thing, if it wasn't for concorde you would not have ABS on cars, or any form of autobraking/antiskid on any aircraft (yeah, that includes your boeings and airbuses). The 727 is an old jet (''jurassic jet'') but you don't run that down calling it antiquated do you? Most people that run concorde down are just jealous that their country could not produce an SST. Every country has its strengths, look at the USA and the shuttle (incidently look at all the stuff thats happened to the shuttle and the controversy thats caused, you ain't carrying on about that are you?) Nor am I, for that matter, I am not jealous, I have been in the shuttle mock up in Houstan, it is an amazing machine and America should be proud of it, I am proud for you guys, you have achieved alot through it but is it cost effective? NO! So please, can't we all regoice in other countries achievments and not run them down? The concorde is a fantastic plane if not profitable and an amazing piece of hardware.What is not cost effective is BA retrofitting the thing only to retire it, epecialy in these troubled times.Anyway, Im done now.Rici

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Isnt Concorde the only airplane that can travel at Mach 2 with the afterburners switched off when other planes have to have them on all the time?Its a shame its going but It would be good if maybe those charter flights where you could do those 3 hour trips would still be available. Id love to have a ride on it supersonically as I think as things stand at the moment there wont be another airliner that will travel supersonic now for quite a while. Its just so expensive but if I had the money Id ride it at the drop of the hat.Craig Kiltie

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Ok, I've removed a couple of posts were people were taking this too far and will now lock this topic.

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Hi guys,just a question: next month I will be in London for a few days and I'd like to catch the opportunity and watch Concorde take-off, since it may be the last (and only) time in my life to see it. Where would you go to best watch the airplane? Spectators' terrace in Heathrow still seems to be closed due to security reasons.Any suggestions?Thanks and all the best,Stefan

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Heathrow Visitor's Centre car-park. Just north of 27R.

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Hi StefanAt the moment Concorde only takes off on the northern runway (27R/09L) so to see it t/off go to the visitors centre on the northern part of the perimeter road, parallel to 27R. You could watch it land on 27L in Hatton Cross car park, which is literally yards from the threshold of 27L.edit: if you didnt know, it is scheduled to t/off at about 6.50pm local time and lands at about 1800 lcl.

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Come on now! Americans could have produced the SST but chose not to do so because the cost-benefit analysis. It was on the drawing board and everything. We don't have a nationally subsidized airline, and none of the airlines in the US at the time would have been willing to purchase an SST knowing that they would have been in the red for 20 or so years before turning a profit. I give the British and French credit for doing so, but those counties are much closer to a socialist government that we in the US, so they could afford to step up. BTW, I am a proud American who happens to be half English. My mother is from Norwich England. Both great countries!Robb

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