Geofa, if your having issues with the NVIDIA driver crashing, I recommend updating the driver, as that's what is actually crashing, not x-plane.Latest stable: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_winvista...86.18_whql.htmllatest beta: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7_winvista...90.38_beta.html

I have the latest drivers....I was told this is a well known issue.

interesting...try rolling back to this set:http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_182.50_whql.htmlI had to roll back to this set to get ArmA 2 working properly...if that doesn't work... I have no clue... then again, I'm on 64 bit... and my gfx card is a gtx 280...

interesting...try rolling back to this set:http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_182.50_whql.htmlI had to roll back to this set to get ArmA 2 working properly...if that doesn't work... I have no clue... then again, I'm on 64 bit... and my gfx card is a gtx 280...

I have the trouble ever since buying xplane thru a variety of drivers. I am not going to give up the present drivers because of the 3D.

Using that link, I ended up with version 9.22 updates. I googled X-Plane which brought up the main website, and it has the 9.31 updates.

At the time of writing 9.3x was still officially classed as beta software (see the title of the topic above). If you check the link now it will link to 9.31 (You might need to click on the refresh button in your browser).

Hi Setanta and everyone.I think that having you put this info here, which is lacking the information, mark the box "Check for new beta.." otherwise you may get an older version, it does not solve their obligation to make it clear to their customers, on their site. If you read the information on their site it would lead you to believe that once you got the Installer, it's all you have to do to complete the update. Which is Not the case. You now have to connect and download the remaining, actual update, code. How big is it? Is it reversible? If yes, how do you do it? Can you get it downloaded on your HD and scan the code before you use it?I, personally, would not get any executable code in my system, unless I can scan it first.The oversimplification permeates throughout the XP's documentation, and it will have to change, if they want more people to participate and improve that sim. TV

See above about the 'beta' thing. As to the updaters/installers - I don't see where you got the idea that they were self contained. Actually, the demo installer specifically says 'DEMO INSTALLERS: USE THESE TO GET THE LATEST X-PLANE DEMO!' - and the updater says 'UPDATERS: USE THESE TO UPDATE YOUR PURCHASED COPY OF X-PLANE!'. Both of these statements imply that a further process will be necessary and certainly do not imply that they are self contained updates. Because something does not operate in the way that YOU expected does not mean it is in any way misleading.Incidentally once it has checked your current installation it will tell you how large the necessary update is and, if you agree, will download it automatically. It will not run any of the downloaded code unless you request it so if you feel the need to scan for viruses etc. you can. The ability to reverse the operation would be nice but at present is not a simple and straightforward task.As to the documentation available for X-Plane, I wholeheartedly agree. Where it exists at all it's sketchy at best and is in major need of updating.

It seems that many X-Plane users just expect someone to keep up on all the latest revisions and work-arounds. It's as though you need to have been a part of the X-Plane tribe for many years. Personally, I have no interest in that. It's not as if we're mentally challanged either! I just expect a sim plane to fly as close to a real plane as possible, without having to be an electronic whizbang geek, to make it all work...

Hmmm, speaking as a long time X-Plane user who has recently started to explore MSFS I could replace X-Plane in your quote with MSFS VERY easily. Your use of the term 'tribe' applies strongly to both camps.Setanta

Hi, Setanta, and everyone."I don't see where you got the idea that they were self contained. Actually, the demo installer specifically says 'DEMO INSTALLERS: USE THESE TO GET THE LATEST X-PLANE DEMO!' - and the updater says 'UPDATERS: USE THESE TO UPDATE YOUR PURCHASED COPY OF X-PLANE!'. Both of these statements imply that a further process will be necessary and certainly do not imply that they are self contained updates. Because something does not operate in the way that YOU expected does not mean it is in any way misleading."Do not Imply is in the eye of the user. says ""'UPDATERS: USE THESE TO UPDATE YOUR PURCHASED COPY OF X-PLANE!'"" Where die s it say that additional code is required to get that accomplished?I got a number of people that were confused about it, and so was I, when I first read it. Thank you for the info about the rest. If they will not give us access to a download that I Scan with my AV, it's not going in my system. TV

Do not Imply is in the eye of the user. says ""'UPDATERS: USE THESE TO UPDATE YOUR PURCHASED COPY OF X-PLANE!'"" Where die s it say that additional code is required to get that accomplished?I got a number of people that were confused about it, and so was I, when I first read it. Thank you for the info about the rest. If they will not give us access to a download that I Scan with my AV, it's not going in my system. TV

Similarly where does it say that the updater is self contained? It doesn't actually say anything other than that the updater is what you use to update X-Plane - no mention is made of the method used. While I agree that it could be made more clear (as could most of the X-Plane website) the information that actually is provided is accurate.As to scanning the download for viruses (virii? It seems to be debatable) your AV software should be more than capable of scanning the executable files in the X-Plane directory before running them if you feel it necessary. Incidentally, if you expect your AV software to scan the software you download before it has actually been extracted and installed rather than after the fact, you are asking for trouble. It's quite possible to hide a virus in a compressed package in a way that your AV package cannot detect.Setanta

Hi Setanta."As to scanning the download for viruses (virii? It seems to be debatable)"This post was not intended to teach you, or anyone else, what the plural for virus, mainly as used in the computer world, is, but this is a freebee for the day, for you. English / as Computer language may not be your native, primary, language, so I will forgive you, but I will only do it Once. I am aware of the many different ways to spell different things, in many different languages, and I am at the point where I have very little patience with Multi lingual teachers, especially when they are incorrect and / or do not need to correct anyone.Check below:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_o...s_ending_in_-us"The plural of virus is viruses. In reference to a computer virus, the plural is often believed to be virii or, less commonly, viri, but both forms are neologistic folk etymology[1] and no major dictionary recognizes them as alternative forms. These variations, discussed below, are generally used by people in some Internet communities to refer to computer malware of any type, not just self replicating and self distributing forms." "..your AV software should be more than capable of scanning the executable files in the X-Plane directory before running them if you feel it necessary…."I agree, and that is why I want it downloaded separately. " ..if you expect your AV software to scan the software you download before it has actually been extracted and installed rather than after the fact, you are asking for trouble.Maybe you are using the wrong AV? I have No problems scanning Zip files. TV

Hi Setanta."As to scanning the download for viruses (virii? It seems to be debatable)"This post was not intended to teach you, or anyone else, what the plural for virus, mainly as used in the computer world, is, but this is a freebee for the day, for you. English / as Computer language may not be your native, primary, language, so I will forgive you, but I will only do it Once. I am aware of the many different ways to spell different things, in many different languages, and I am at the point where I have very little patience with Multi lingual teachers, especially when they are incorrect and / or do not need to correct anyone.Check below:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_o...s_ending_in_-us"The plural of virus is viruses. In reference to a computer virus, the plural is often believed to be virii or, less commonly, viri, but both forms are neologistic folk etymology[1] and no major dictionary recognizes them as alternative forms. These variations, discussed below, are generally used by people in some Internet communities to refer to computer malware of any type, not just self replicating and self distributing forms." "..your AV software should be more than capable of scanning the executable files in the X-Plane directory before running them if you feel it necessary

Ye gods and little fishes - this is why I tend not to post on bulletin boards. Too many 12 year olds around.Have fun folksSetanta

At my age, I almost wish I could be twelve again. Closer to 60 though...L.Adamson

Hi Setanta and everyone."….Too many 12 year olds around….Setanta"That's the problem with the INet, many people assume that at the other end is a 12 year old. In my case, I was a slow starter, I was about 14 when I knew everything. I got dumber and dumber, as time went on. One of those things, the more you learn, the more you find out how little you knew. I apologize, if my message insulted you. Try to understand, a lot of the people around here are real world Pilots, and unusual (not quite the normal, if we were we would not get into those contraptions without being forced) creatures.Hang around, or are you 12? Seriously, I do apologize if I insulted you, it was meant to make a similar point as you did, with the virii. Just for your background info, Latin was my second foreign language I learned.All that said I still think that XP documentation should be more complete, it would help many people that do not want to use too much of their brain power. It used to be that we were told that we only used 10 % of our brain capacity, now they say that we use all of it, and we could use some more. That implies that we got to use it sparingly? Just a joke, I think? TV

Seriously, I do apologize if I insulted you, it was meant to make a similar point as you did, with the virii.

My intended point with the 'virii' comment was not to criticise you or your language skills, but to say that *I* didn't know which was the currently accepted term. Like many computer related terms it's been used and abused so much it's impossible to tell and the dictionaries simply cannot keep up (see 'hacker' - an honorific I used to be proud to have used in reference to me until the media got to it). Personally I tend to use 'viruses' for the same reason I guess that you do (the latin root), although in the end its common usage that defines these things rather than which is 'correct' (See 'octopuses').

All that said I still think that XP documentation should be more complete...

Absolutely. As I said above the state of documentation for X-Plane is pitiful, though at least it is improving. Given the history of X-Plane as something that was a one-man show for so long, and even now is pretty much a three man show (along with some much appreciated 'hobbyists') it is however understandable. When you compare that situation (and the budget involved) with the situation of MSFS up until development was unfortunately stopped, the fact that the two are even thought of as being in competition is pretty incredible.Setanta

Hi Setanta."My intended point with the 'virii' comment was not to criticise you or your language skills, but to say that *I* didn't know which was the currently accepted term."Again, I apologize. I am a product of the Binary generation, tend to stick to the subject, black and white etc.. It's difficult to tell, especially over the INet, and sometimes in person, what the intended purpose of a remark is. Thank you for the heads up on how this installer works. TV