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4890 or GTX280/285

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Hello,Recently I upgraded my system to an i7, 6GB Tri-channel DDR3 RAM, and a GTX260. The only thing letting it down is the GTX260, sadly, as I want it for FSX. It runs FS9 fine, 40fps solid, any aircraft, anywhere. No matter what setting I max out, the FPS refuse to come down from the clouds (pardon the pun). However FSX is a different story, and the fact that I'm looking for a new card kind of tells it's own story.So after much research and reading, I decided that a 4890 would be a good card, however many people report problems with clouds and ATI cards, but other say it's absolutely fine. The GTX 285 is just within my budget, but for the price of one of those, I could buy 2 4890s to run in CF. Obviously FSX wouldn't benefit from CF but my other games would.Basically I just need someone to clarify the points raised, to allow me to make the best purchase.Thanks,Andrew.

Andrew McCluskey

It is highly unlikely that your GTX 260 is unable to handle the load being requested of it. You would need to be running some pretty obscene settings (read: 2560x1600, 16x AA or higher) to bring that card to its knees in FSX. Look elsewhere first. i.e., delete your FSX.cfg file and let FSX rebuild it. Start tweaking settings from there.

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It is highly unlikely that your GTX 260 is unable to handle the load being requested of it. You would need to be running some pretty obscene settings (read: 2560x1600, 16x AA or higher) to bring that card to its knees in FSX. Look elsewhere first. i.e., delete your FSX.cfg file and let FSX rebuild it. Start tweaking settings from there.
Well, unfortunetly, however unbelievable, I'm only getting 15fps on average in FSX with ultra high on everything. I will tweak it and see how it goes, and there's no need to delete fsx.cfg in my case, since it's all a fresh install since the computer update. Altough in my personal opion, if this card is as good as people here make it out to be why must I tweak my games to even get decent FPS?

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Well, unfortunetly, however unbelievable, I'm only getting 15fps on average in FSX with ultra high on everything. I will tweak it and see how it goes, and there's no need to delete fsx.cfg in my case, since it's all a fresh install since the computer update. Altough in my personal opion, if this card is as good as people here make it out to be why must I tweak my games to even get decent FPS?
Which Nvidia drivers are you using? On my GTX275 and 800GT before it, anything more recent than 182.5 gave poor FPS and siginficant stutters on FSX. Strangely they did not affect FS9. If you are using the latest, give the older ones a try? Hang in there, I think you should get a good result with your hardware.Simon
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Which Nvidia drivers are you using? On my GTX275 and 800GT before it, anything more recent than 182.5 gave poor FPS and siginficant stutters on FSX. Strangely they did not affect FS9. If you are using the latest, give the older ones a try? Hang in there, I think you should get a good result with your hardware.Simon
It's 182.42 I've just upgraded to 182.50 after reading it gives the best results, so will post results when tested.

Andrew McCluskey

Wait, you're "only" getting 15 FPS with all options turned to their highest settings?There's nothing wrong with your computer. Re-adjust your expectations and your problem will be solved. No system out there plays FSX with all settings at their highest levels and experiences perfectly fluid FPS at all times.You must "tweak your games to get decent FPS" because FSX makes terribly poor use of the GPU and is a mostly single-threaded game. Basically it's a game from the late 90's/early 00's dressed up with modern polygon counts, texture resolutions, and view distances. Try some other non-MSFS game and watch your FPS soar. Simply put: it's the game, not the hardware.

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Wait, you're "only" getting 15 FPS with all options turned to their highest settings?There's nothing wrong with your computer. Re-adjust your expectations and your problem will be solved. No system out there plays FSX with all settings at their highest levels and experiences perfectly fluid FPS at all times.You must "tweak your games to get decent FPS" because FSX makes terribly poor use of the GPU and is a mostly single-threaded game. Basically it's a game from the late 90's/early 00's dressed up with modern polygon counts, texture resolutions, and view distances. Try some other non-MSFS game and watch your FPS soar. Simply put: it's the game, not the hardware.
Look, I understand what you're saying but after spending

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Look, I understand what you're saying but after spending
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Have you inspected your friend's FSX settings and verified that *all* features are enabled and *all* details are turned to the maximum? What other games have you tried and what sort of FPS do you get in them at what settings?My "theory" is commonly accepted fact on a properly configured system. If you truly get poor performance in modern 3d games (read: not MSFS) then there is something wrong with your system's configuration. My first suggestion to you would be to assign FSX.exe's affinity to cores 0-5 (or 0-6) via the task manager and check your performance again. Using all 8 cores @ 100% can cause background tasks to fight FSX for CPU resources, causing the system to perform poorly. Especially since 4 of those cores are virtual in the first place and already contending for the same resources as the 4 physical cores.
Ok coupled with the 182.50 driver and Nick's tips, it's running fairly well, obviously a bit of 'jiggery-pokery' to be done to get it running at it's best but I like what I'm seeing so far. Thanks for putting me onto that.In reference to other games, from my experience the card isn't absolutely outstand, it's rather good but things like AA let it down. I suppose the annoyance at the fact FSX wasn't running properly made me fall out with this card, but I think I'm beginning to come round to it :). ArmA is mainly what I'm talking about, any of the other settings are fine but as soon as you turn on in game AA the fps just take it like a b*tch. Other 'less demanding' games such as rFactor and America's Army are absolutely fine, it's just the 'heavy' games, but I'm sure I'll come to some resolve.I think the money that would have been going to the new card will be going to a new case and a new CPU cooler and I'll try and push the processor up a bit more (only sitting at 3.8GHz just now due to temperatures) and possible a little bit of an overclock on the card.Thanks for the assistance,Andrew.

Andrew McCluskey

Glad to hear things are working more like you expected. New case & cooler sounds like a better upgrade. Make sure you stock the case with fans! Yate Loon, Scythe, Panasonic are some of my favorites that are inexpensive and work very well.

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Glad to hear things are working more like you expected. New case & cooler sounds like a better upgrade. Make sure you stock the case with fans! Yate Loon, Scythe, Panasonic are some of my favorites that are inexpensive and work very well.
I'll have to look into the manufacturers you brought up incase the fans that come with it aren't up to it, however from what I see, the case I'm eyeing is loaded with high power fans and some pretty blue LEDs thrown into the mix too lol.Happy flying.

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