FS2004, CD4 in Drive.... Copy Right Issues

[Guest GabrielR]

Hi, all, Just read in a review that you need the fourth CD in the drive to fire up FS2004.1. Can I remove the CD after starting FS and put in another CD (for Example SIM Charts?)2. THe 4th cd is going to be damaged very soon, Can I Legally make a copy of it and use the burned copy on my machine?3. if burning the CD #4 is technically possible, then what is the security strategy here, anybody can burn copies of CDs in todays computers, I dont get it.Other Question:I want to be Beta Tester for FS2006 to have a copy of the sim before it hits the shelves. how do I apply? (Just Kidding, This wait is driving me crazy!!!!!)Thanks....

[Guest bjjones]

>Hi, all, Just read in a review that you need the fourth CD in>the drive to fire up FS2004.>>1. Can I remove the CD after starting FS and put in another>CD (for Example SIM Charts?)>>2. THe 4th cd is going to be damaged very soon, Can I Legally>make a copy of it and use the burned copy on my machine?>>3. if burning the CD #4 is technically possible, then what is>the security strategy here, anybody can burn copies of CDs in>todays computers, I dont get it.>>Other Question:>>I want to be Beta Tester for FS2006 to have a copy of the sim>before it hits the shelves. how do I apply? >(Just Kidding, This wait is driving me crazy!!!!!)>>>Thanks....>I also want to know if burning copies is possible, I never use the original FS2002 CD's, i've made copies of all 3 and thats what I use, I learnt that after FS2000 when CD2 got scratched so badly it became unusuable, and if you want to beta test then send an e-mail to betareq@microsoft.com in the following format; SUBJECT:Include only the Product Name (Do NOT include Microsoft or any other words) in the subject. Requests without the product name in the subject will not be considered.Sample: Subject: WindowsMESSAGE:Include the following information in the body of your e-mail message: First NameMiddle NameLast NameCompanyStreet Address (no PO boxes)CityStateZipPhoneFaxE-mail AddressBrief description of your system configurationBrief description of why you want to test this product.

[gosta 0]

Hi there,>THe 4th cd is going to be damaged very soon, Can I Legally make a copy of it and use the burned copy on my machine?if burning the CD #4 is technically possible, then what is the security strategy herehttp://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

[boshar 6]

A) The protected CD's of any game can be copied using specialist CD copying tools. Most of these tools can be found for free on the internet.:( A better solution is a N0 CD patch. No CD patches have been made for almost every protected game ever made. You just run the patch and your program never asks for the CD again. There was a no-cd patch for fs2000 and its fairly certain that there will be one for FS2004.C) If you fail taking one of these precations there is yet another chance. Already there are iso's of the FS2004 on the internet. Just get the ISO that has your damaged CD on it and burn it on a CD-RThe protection on the CD is there to stop clueless computer users copying the CD for a friend (aka the casual pirate). As a piracy protection this method is hopelessly outdated. Its just another burden for us legal users. The widespread availability of FS2004 before the official release shows us how ineffective the current anti-piracy methods are.In my opinion the last FS version that had good piracy protection was FS2000. It was not the CD in drive protection that came with it it was the printed manual. Nowadays those PDF's on the CD just make it easier for the pirates. And what do whe legal users get? A DVD case with a small pamflet containing instructions and 4 shiny CD's not much different from the 4 CD-R's and the Readme.doc that the pirates get.For the record I am against piracy of any kind I buy my software fair an square but I feel free to circumvent all anti piracy measures a game might have. I am also against the anti-piracy technique know as machine binding used in several new FS add-ons because I think this practice is far to limiting for the legal users. I will not buy any of these new add-ons.

[Guest jason2112]

Oh my god, I hate these legal discussions ... but I have to add my thoughts anyway ;)AFAIK the American Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and also the new German copyright law, make it illegal to disable any copyright protection method. Am I wrong? I'd sure like to be wrong this time!Just my 2c (EUR),VOlker :]

[Guest GabrielR]

Thanks guys, it looks that this anti piracy method is not useful, why a company like MS does not come up with a better Anti piracy system???I had to replace my FS2002 disks already a year ago.... disk 3 got damaged while installing, At a 20 something dollar cost, (fortunately the guy of MS told me that I did not have to buy the "commercial set" so they sent me a replacement....I think that 4th cd is going to be very scratched after the 1st month using FS2004!!!!

[gosta 0]

Hi Volker,a copyright protection exists in law. A copy protection, which prevents the making of a backup copy, can legally be cracked:http://transpatent.com/gesetze/urhg11.html#69eNote in particular sections 69d)2&3, 69e)3, 69g)2.EDIT: The link is still the current version of the law, but the only changes in the new version with regards to section 69, is the addition of 69C)4, which gives the copyright owner control over distribution via download sites.The law in the US is fundamentally different - comsumers generally have less rights than elsewhere.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

[someone 0]

"2. THe 4th cd is going to be damaged very soon, Can I Legally make a copy of it and use the burned copy on my machine?"Why do you say the 4th cd is going to be damaged very soon? Do you plan on damaging it? I've been using computers since the TRS-80 days, and I've never had a CD get damaged from normal use. If you take care of your CD's they will last forever.

[Guest jason2112]

Gosta: I meant copy protection, sorry! I'm really not up to date, or too involved in this topic, just read something in a computer magazine or Heise.de's news section from time to time.Regarding the damaging of CDs through constant use: I don't really see that problem either. It's annoying, but as CDs are read without direct contact to the media surface, they should not suffer at all. Nonetheless I would install a NoCD patch if I would stumble across one.VOlker :]

[gosta 0]

Hi Volker,the problem with CDs breaking through coninous use is not scratching of the surface (like old vinyl records), but the perils of modern technology - new CD drives spin way too fast, which can cause cracks to develop on the CD, and if you're unlucky, it may break into pieces.So, people with really old drives will not encounter that problem :). Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

[Guest guyjr]

Really? Where'd you read this? On alt.conspiracy? I've got a pretty damn fast CD drive, have burned hundreds of CDs, use it every day, etc, and not one CD has failed or disintegrated inside it. And I've not read of _one_ case from any reliable source that indicates that this happens at all, much less on a regular basis.

[Guest Id Rather Be Flying]

Here is some good reading for the "MISINFORMED!"http://delltalk.us.dell.com/supportforums/...&message.id=653http://www.computing.net/hardware/wwwboard/forum/12249.htmlhttp://html.uhome.net/cd-dvd-bang/e_js_n-cdrom.htmhttp://www.vnunet.be/datanews/detalle.asp?...are/20020906011There are TONS more of LEGITIMATE information look on the web!

[jacsantos 0]

realy??? ;)Guess what! It HAS HAPENED TO ME ;) And It was with the 2nd cd of MSFS 2000, I was performing ANOTHER full install of the program because of PC problems and 3m after being in the drive(CD-ROM 50X) I've heard a crack sound and then a lot of noise came from the drive, the eject didn't worked so I had to use the emergency eject, an there it was a perfectly good cd wasted in pieces.... I had to disassemble the drive, clean it up and because of that, bought a new drive (this time a DVD-ROM one) and FS2002 all in the same day ;) (well I was going to buy it either way, it just turned out sooner that predicted.these things happen, more frequently that one might expect I was not the only one, I've heard this a lot of times (specialy with CD-R's and RW's) but can and will happen to originals alike...RegardsSANTOS(LPAV)

[Guest WorkingStiff]

>Really? Where'd you read this? On alt.conspiracy? I've got a>pretty damn fast CD drive, have burned hundreds of CDs, use it>every day, etc, and not one CD has failed or disintegrated>inside it. And I've not read of _one_ case from any reliable>source that indicates that this happens at all, much less on a>regular basis.Guy,A simple search of just this forum would disabuse you of that notion. Please read this recent thread; especially the post by Bob Lecante: http://forums.avsim.com/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=search

[gosta 0]

>Really? Where'd you read this? On alt.conspiracy? I've got a pretty damn fast CD drive, have burned hundreds of CDs, use it every day, etc, and not one CD has failed or disintegrated inside it. And I've not read of _one_ case from any reliable source that indicates that this happens at all, much less on a regular basis.:)Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg