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Beech Baron 58 Flight Model - Steve Small's

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Does anyone know if Steve Small's FS2 Beech Baron 58 Flight Model will work with FS2004? Looking for a good model, his was excellent in my opinion for FS2. Thanks much!Erv Moore KSDF

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Not sure how relevent it is, but on the FSD forum they have indicated that the twin enhancement package will not fly properly in FS9. I'm not sure how much this was based on Steve Small's original Baron flight model...

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I took the FSD air files and copied them over to my FS2004 aircraft directory for both KingAir and the Baron. A slight tweaking of the aircraft config file is all it takes and they fly every bit as well as thier FS2002 counterparts. I hope FSD makes an air filefor the Mooney as well as a new install package for FS9.AL

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Hi Jordanal (or anyone else who can help)I am really enjoying the Baron in FS2K4 (didn't have the professional edition with FS2K2). However, on the default air file, I find the elevator in particular, very sensitive, and straight and level flight is a bit of an ordeal.2 questions:1. Does the Steve Small air file improve this.2. Could post the changes that yo made to the airfile for it to work smoothly in FS2K4. I notice, that FSD are still not supporting the Twin Engine Enhancement in FS2K4.ThanksRichard

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Thanks for the inquiry.By my criteria the FS2002 TwinProps package needs a heck of a lot ofwork for FS2004, but even as they were for FS2002 they are (if usedin FS2004) better than the defaults. The m/e behaviour of the defaults are still fairly poor. Different gauges and panel edits are needed also ... panel lighting is different, and a few other things need changes to be truly "FS2004".As far as an FSD TwinProps package for FS2004 is concerned, some time ago we actually offered to redevelop this project (and expand it, in fact, to collect a couple of other worthy models like the D.H Comet) for Avsim's exclusive use, the intention being to donate the software to Avsim, for their commercial use, to bolster the resources of the Richard Harvey Scholarship Fund. We also offered to finish off the (literally completely rebuilt) Boeing C17 in gmax (below) on the same basisand give the files to Avsim. Unfortunately, no interest was expressed and we dropped both from our schedule. Time does move on and we are pretty much fully tied up with other projects and our own lives, there being are only so many hours in the day, and all that ...We're glad that you are able to make some use of that old FS2002 TwinProps project in FS2004, in any event.http://www.fsd-international.com/temp/c17/c1701.jpghttp://www.fsd-international.com/temp/c17/c1703.jpghttp://www.fsd-international.com/team/Steve_signature.gif

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That's too bad they didn't take you up that Steve. What a great missed opportunity for all. :(

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They dident miss anything they Dodged a Bullit with that offer. Dale

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I've searched the library and can't find any of your valuable contributions Dale. So watch your mouth, you've been banned and warned from several forums because of your own actions and FSD don't want you as a customer.Now we know why.Allcott

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FSD Does not deserve my Bussnes And If You want me To Watch my Mouth Tell me Face To Face Like a Man Not Like Steve Small Your all real tough on the internet However next year Il meet some of you In Denver and I am Not Banned from Any where that is worth wile going to And I stand up for my self I dont have or need the likes of you or Tim Dickson to back up my every word. Further more Get Lost

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Actually, it went something like this :In early March 2003, Dale Sather (a.k.a. Ezdale) gets into an argument in our support forum with Simon Evans. Mr Sather resorted to the use of four-letter obscenities in his exchange with Evans (we have none specified as 'bad words' in the forum software) . Mr Sather's forum usage gets suspended pending apology which is not forthcoming. I realised he was provoked and acknowledged that to him privately, but said the fxxx's etc were not acceptable in our forum. For his part in it, I also took the matter up with Mr Evans directly.Anyway, Sather re-registers under another ID and goes at it again, same four letter words. We deactivate that ForumID too. Finally, on March 22nd, we get serious and temporarily block the IP's Sather is using to cause trouble. During this, we found a bug in previous DCForum software version that was allowing his continued forum abuse. That bug is not present in the current version of the software.Sather takes it to vindictive email and continues the tirade in as many venues as possible, and this goes on literally for months. I have 41 emails from him at last count, all abusive full of F..k U etc ... We refund all sales to be clear of conscience, to be rid of him, going back to year dot including back to the days we used Flight1 when he had purchased products using a borrowed credit card. I personally, by phone from AU, contacted that person whose card he used and said to that person they should expect to see credits against that account, which they did. They were processed by F1.Despite the refunds, Sather continues to request replacement files (for those he has certified he has deleted, in order to get the refunds) and continues to try and reactivate software he has certified he has long since deleted.We were forced to institute 'forum registration activation" as a means of stopping his ongoing troublemaking. We now apply a 'no anonymous forum ID' and 'no anonymous email service' requirement for new users to prevent him slipping back in for further forum abuse. This was preferable to the concept of 'post approval' in what is, after all, a support forum.Ultimately, on 12th August, we block Sasktel.net (his ISP) from accessing our forum and websites due all the hassles he is intent on causing. Most recently, on October 17th, Sather writes again (I keep all this correspondence, by the way) advising me of my various personal physical inadequacies and advises he has subscribed me to various male and female organ product enhancement services. My already astronomical spam intake again goes through the roof.Mr Sather has variously caused as much mischief as is possible in as many venues as possible, through lies and misrepresentations, but there are some folks out there like Mr Sather. That's the nature of the internet, and all publishers get it. Sather was once banned from here, but it seems that after an ID is banned it is released again after the "90 day inactive" period is reached. This is an issue with the current DCForum software as best I can ascertain.We don't have the time, or the tolerance, for this nonsense. Unfortunately, there are some people who enjoy this but we find it too much of a distraction and too unpleasant to tolerate. All developers get it to some degree, and deal with it as best they can. All sather had to do was apologise for the fr...'s and c...'s and we would have left it there, but he just isn't that sort of person.Sorry to set the record straight, but as I recently said to Tom Allensworth in a personal message about another Sather post, "enough's enough". http://www.fsd-international.com/team/Steve_signature.gif

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Concur Steve, and I will get back to you on your offer (though apparently late)... I have been on the road a lot since September and probably missed it and that's why you haven't heard from me. And, my apologies for that. In the meantime, he is now gone from here too.

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Hi Tom,Sorry about the way Sather took this dicsussion, as usual, but thanks for your understanding. It sounds like your life's even busier than mine. I hope you find some time for some fun somewhere in it. I just fixed the kitchen sink, which was my fun for the day :-)As for the issue that was central, that generates a great deal of interest almost daily, it's never too late to do something for a worthwhile purpose. I know Owen would also like to see the C17 let loose.Ding me anytime as time permits. Best,Stevehttp://www.fsd-international.com/team/Steve_signature.gif

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Most certainly I would indeed, Steve. It's a great aircraft that I would love to see live on in FS 2004.Cheers,Owen

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Actually, I'm not 100% sure that the ball has not been in my court, and I've been sitting on it. There are some technical issues to optimize it in FS 2004.Let's Pow Wow on this after the holiday and see what we could put together. I think we could do something that would be worthwhile for everyone.http://www.fsd-international.com/team/TD_forum_sig.gif

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Nice to see this turned into a more genial thread. Thanks, Steve & Tom. On to more important matters, I believe that you will definitely find Avsim'ers (can I say that?) :-) that would be very interested in an updated FDE for the Baron and dare I say the King Air in FS2004. And the C-17 looks awesome.Jim

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Outstanding news! Thanks to you all for what you do and to AVSIM! It would be very nice to fly a twin like we use to do in FS2. Erv KSDF

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Speaking for myself, I'd be happy with FS2004 specific FDE's for the Baron and King Air. Icing on that cake would be some FSD quality panels for the default aircraft.As for the C-17, I'd like to see a complete aircraft, or at least a good visual model (that appears to be more than taken care of) and FDE. Panels and sound are here on AVSIM already, not FSD quality but usable.Jim

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Steve,Once again thanks for replying to my question on the Twins in your FSD support forum.As for idea's on the twins package spoken about here, I'd settle for a compatibility upgrade to FS2004, but something that sorted the taxi speed surge for the Caravan's would be very nice :)As a final thought does the DC3 come under the twins banner? I've tried a couple of new air files that have been posted on several sites. I can't say I liked any of them, but the real reason is I don't trust them.In my book there is only one person or perhaps its better to say team, that really know's what to do with dynamics and that's Steve Small and FSD.Many thanks for all your years of hard work a beautiful models.Merry Christmas and Happy New YearMark

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I too have enjoyed and flown the Steve Small Baron and King Air files and was glad to see the kind offer made by the FSD Team:-)Hope you all can get this project off the ground as it were:-)Congratulations to FSD for their generosity:-)

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Somewhere in this thread (I get lost, sometimes) Steve mentioned something about improving the DH Comet...yes, please, one over here, barkeep!I don't need no stinkin' KingAir or Baron..I got a Cheyenne and a Seneca. But the improved FDE's from thte last version are what finally prompted me to purchase my FSD planes; so you do what you gotta do ;)

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