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OK, UK. There's the LAGO mesh if you've got a few bucks. There's Raimondo Taburet's mesh. There's 'Lightmesh'. There's Pietro Mauri's mesh. There's Eddie Denney's mesh. There's Justin Tyme's FSGenesis mesh. And now, there's Andy's mesh (who's Andy?!) in three parts for the UK.One, why is everybody doing the same thing, as many are based on similar data. Two, which is the best, please, someone who knows?My own cut on this to date is that the FSGenesis and the latest mesh by 'Andy' look best in areas I know well; but I'd appreciate any other input on this.There's certainly a lot of choice. Oh, while I'm at it, anyone know where I can find a Boeing for flightsim?Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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>Oh, while I'm at it, anyone know where I can find a Boeing for flightsim?

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Sorry, Deltawing man, yes, I was joking. I've got about four million Boeings which was the whole point; there are so many of them to choose from. The real fun for me is to find original stuff in the libraries that people have not modelled or painted before.I confess that I come from a generation where we used to think that humour could be communicated by words, rather than having to qualify jokes with smileys and such like. But you're right, that's the way these days, and actually very useful in these forums given that we're dealing with so many nationalities and so many types of sense of humour, perhaps! So I'll try to get into it, thanks! :-) :) ;-) ;) :D }( :( :9 :7 :-lol :-hah (-: :-newbie :-doh :-beerchug Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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HeHe - nice one, Dark Moment. I come from a similar generation, brought up without 'smileys', and taught to use words to express myself instead. I refuse to use the stupid things and I think you should too! How about a 'Smiley Free' FS forum?As to UK Mesh, I like the LAGO stuff very much - and it's cheap too. I use it with the UK VFR photo scenery and upland Britain has never looked better. Try some flights over the Lake District in north-west England, North Wales or the Scottish Highlands and you'll agree, I think. Ian (EGLL)Smiley Free Zone

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The NextMap-based 20-meter Mesh looks very interesting. For now, I'm using Mauri's freeware mesh and it works great.

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The LAGO mesh is very good in my opinion and value for money.However, there is that new FS Terrain product at Justflight which is about

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At the moment, I'm using Eddie Denneys - all the others are much the same, but Eddies' is marginally better, based on my own area (Colne Valley, Huddersfield UK.)There is a particular hill which I know the shape of very well, which is shown very accurately, and if the rest of the UK shows similar improvements, bodes well.This presumes the use of UK VFR scenery, which shows up the actual shadows of hills (at the time the photograph was taken) and allows the judgement of the shapes of hills & mountains when overlaid on the mesh.Brian

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Hi, i must agree with Goon, the VFRTerrain from Visual Flight doe slook good, I had one installed a couple of weeks ago and thught it looked good until I went to the Lake District and discovered the lakes creeping up the hills, The mesh wasn't really compatible with the VFR Scenery.CheersTerry

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TerryCan I just make it clear to everyone that the mesh you tried a couple of weeks ago was not VFR Terrain. I presume you were referring to one of the freeware/payware SRTM terrain mesh sceneries, but that's not 100% obvious from your wording (sorry!).VFR Terrain fixes Flight Simulator's problems with lakes for once and for all, and is the only terrain scenery for the UK to do so.JohnVisual Flight

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TerryI've just re-read my post above and it's looks a bit unfriendly, but please be assured that's not my intention - just the way things come out sometimes when you commit them to print.John

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VFR Terrain does look good, but I question the comment on the above linked page that Getmapping is "virtually giving away" the existing VFR scenery.

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Forgive a little linguistic license, but you don't need to buy all four areas. For just GBP 15.31 plus vat you get three CDs crammed with high quality data, more megabytes and greater area than any other commercial scenery. No, Getmapping are not literally giving it away, but it's not such a bad deal really is it?JohnPS. It's GBP 71.96 including vat for all four volumes (12 CDs), not the GBP 75 excluding vat that you've quoted.

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I've just re-read my post above and it's looks a bit unfriendly, but please be assured that's not my intention - just the way things come out sometimes when you commit them to print.Hmm... perhaps, John, you should use smilies to make your intention clear. Ooops, sorry, they're not allowed in this thread, are they?Pete:) :) :)

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I was going to add them in, but the forum software told me I was too late to edit ;( John

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"When you're smiley-ing, when you're smiley-ing, the whole world smilies with you ....."That said, it is apparent that there are at least two of us in this forum who prefer the Queen's English to peculiar, jaundiced little fellows whose ancestor, Mr. Rea 'Al' Smiley, would probably turn in his grave if he knew what poetic licence was being taken with his image today. It is more than likely, furthermore, that he is receiving no royalties from K-Mart who use him liberally in their commercials (or is it Wal-Mart ... oh, never mind; obviously they don't impress me enough that I remember!).But then, we live in a world where Disney claim that they wrote Jungle Book; or, at least, omit to credit the boy Rudyard. Ah well.SMILEY FREE ZONE! SMILEY FREE ZONE!Thanks for all the input on mesh. I always learn something new in this forum. I have fun, too.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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I have only used Lago's terramesh but I can definitely recommend it. I can easily recognise the shape of hills that I am familiar with in the real world. Not sure how it works with VFR scenery though.

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75 quid for 6.6 GB's of photographic textures, 161,842 files in total certainly is a *VERY* good deal. This is a photographic scenery, so unlike the inaccurate landclass-based sceneries, photo sceneries are *real...every road, every building is real...why, each and every individual tree is included in the scenery :-lolCompare to Switzerland Professional which costs over 100 euros, or Megascenery, which gives you a very small region of the US for $30, and that's not even aerial images but less detailed, satallite images.There's currently no other scenery that gives you this sheer amount of data for the money. It's so much fun just to explore the country. I was flying up the western coast and I discovered race-tracks, small villages, satellite dishes and even something which looked like a rubbish fire...with generic scenery it was just "rural" and "forest" tiles.

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visualflight,Sorry, but I don't have time to go browse your site right now, as I'm being ushered out the door to go do some ultra-important shopping...Does your package include the whole of the UK Mainland, and what is the price in UK pounds? Is it available online? I'm very interested, since as much as I enjoy the freeware scenery available, I can't ignore the "causeways from nowhere", on Loch Lomond and off the East coast of the Isle of Lewis, to name a few, and the raised lakes/lochs.Thanks in advance,N.

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Yes agree VFR Terrain is the best mesh, and don't forget to add the Gary Summons UK2000 scenery with the VFR photo scenery. All the best scenery and value.Anthony

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Three at leastI must be getting old - I even got the one about the Boeing"Andy" is an Aussie that has used the same STRM data as most others probably have and according to friends of mine in UK that know a section of Wales that I use as a referrence point reacon that his is better looking than Mauri'sHe has also done PNG which I know a little about and even without the lake elevation problems appears to be fairly goodIt all comes down to choice and the depth of one's wallet

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Make that four .....I can't stand the little yellow blighters, and never use them !Cheers,Alastair

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I think we're in danger of getting confused here. VFR Photographic Scenery includes a mesh of sorts, but the gains that Jimmi mentions must be offset against massive texture loading times (inevitable with individual rather than repeated tile-based rendering), no night textures, no seasonal textures - and no autogen other than that custom-made by freeware developers and others. Then there is the artificial visibility limits which means downloaded weather may not represent what is being seen in the real world at that time. The computer-generated colours also have raised some questions in some peoples minds as to the realism of the interpretation. Makes that rather expensive in my book.VFR TERRAIN is a new product that includes detailed UK mesh - and enhancements for VFR Photographic Scenery, if I understand correctly. This looks much more like it, but I have yet to receive an answer (and demonstration screenshots) as to whether this product functions with default textures, and whether it includes Landclass changes for default areas where the detailed coastline would otherwise be poorly represented. All the screenshots I have seen show VFR Terrain combined with VFR Photographic Scenery, and I don't want to do that.This, if it does what I hope it does, would appear to be MUCH better value for money as it supersamples the data to provide more detail than FS2004 can actually generate. This would obviously benefit those of us with poorer systems that can't run mesh at 100%. Allcott

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AllcottInteresting to speculate what you think would be a fair price? At just over UKD 15 + VAT for three CDs, that's just over UKD 5 per CD, and each CD is crammed with data. Can you find me another flight sim scenery product that gives you that much high quality, dense coverage scenery either by area or by gigabyte for the same amount of money?There's really no need to buy all four volumes either. Each separate volume contains a huge amount of data, a huge flying area and a totally different flying area. Yes it takes longer to load, but then in real life a flight takes a long time to plan. Besides which, why are you having to reload all the time? There's so much genuine fascination in seeing real-world textures with the photo scenery that you shouldn't find yourself wanting to reload all the time. Load once (2-3 mins or less) then settle down and enjoy the scenery.There is no artificial visibility limit. You can set any visibility you want, but you may prefer to set it lower a) because it helps the performance and :( you may prefer the more natural looking colour balance that result. Low visibility is a very typical met condition in any case, including on hot, hazy summer days. In spite of this, many users do choose to run with high visibility as you can see if you visit the screenshots section of the Visual Flight forums.The colours are not computer generated. The imagery used in VFR Photographic Scenery is full colour aerial photography. However, photographic images from different times of day, different weather situations and even different times of year have to be joined to create a complete, seamless image, and the colour balancing process required to do this does affect the overall appearance, with the result that reds in particular can tend to appear too strong. Fortunately reds are pretty rare in the England & Wales landscape, and as I've already said, the colour balance with the visibility reduced, is extremely good in my opinion.Yes, there is only one set of textures supplied with VFR Photographic Scenery, nominally Summer, but this does not stop you flying at other times of year. It would be nice to have seasonal and night time variations, but given that VFR Photographic Scenery is completely unrivalled in the total size of the area covered as well as being the only scenery of its type to give complete national coverage (England & Wales), comparisons with what's provided elsewhere are missing a little of the point.The freeware autogen you mention is all specifically designed to sit properly on top of the photographic image, and as such the total effect is so much more convincing than the semi-random autogen seen elsewhere.Frankly I don't see that VFR Photographic Scenery could be sold at less than it is currently, and I have to say that by the time your money has wended it's way down the the retail and distribution chain to get to me, there's very little left to pay back the time and effort that went into creating it.Moving on to VFR Terrain, who are you waiting for the answer from? If it's from me on the Visual Flight forums and I've accidentally missed it, then please accept my apologies. It's not always that easy to keep track of everything on a forum.Thanks for pointing out that there were no screenshots showing VFR Terrain with the default textures. I've now added one to the VFR Terrain web page on the Visual Flight web site:http://www.visualflight.co.uk/vfrterrainThe default textures image is at the bottom, just below a screenshot of the same scene with the photo scenery in case anyone is interested in the comparison.I hope those who are putting together the publicity for VFR Terrain don't present it too much as being an add-on for VFR Photographic Scenery because I spent a lot of time making sure it would work with the default textures as well, and it would be a shame for this aspect to be overlooked.For those of you who don't know, VFR Terrain includes a highly detailed coastline in addition to the high resolution terrain mesh, and this means not just exciting and interesting looking lakes and coast based on real life rather than the line cartoon representations in the default scenery, but it also means an end to lakes on plateaux and other such nasties that you usually get when adding terrain mesh to your system. Also the provision of a VTP coastline means that all the usual effects that default texture users expect to see such as breaking waves are still present even with the new accurate coast/shorelines.To answer your specific queries, yes, VFR Terrain includes a custom landclass scenery to ensure that there are no problems due to the inadequacies of the default landclass, and this includes landclass to enable the newly found islands such as the Farne Islands, Flatholm, Steepholm, Hilbre, Coquet Island, etc. which VFR Terrain provides to display properly rather than appearing as lumps in the sea.On a technical note: your 'supersamples' comment is pretty wide of the mark, much though it would be nice to say it was true. However, the incredible 5m resolution of the NextMap Britain source data is put to very good use, and makes a big difference compared to all other terrain mesh sceneries for the UK generated from source data at 90m or above (even those who quote 76m, or give tantalising referenecs to 38m data, which refers to the US only, are using source data at 90m or greater).The terrain mesh in VFR Terrain is undersampled from the 5m source data. All other terrain mesh sceneries for the UK are oversampled from 90m or greater source data. The resulting difference in quality and positional accuracy, even apart from the higher compiled resolution of the terrain mesh, probably explain the unprecedented enthusiasm with which VFR Terrain has been received.It's probably true to say that most of these will be from photo scenery users (the combined effect is quite something when you actually see it - though this doesn't really come out in screenshots), though there's definitely some reaction from default texture users as well.I've referred to the UK as a shorthand a few times in the above. To be clear, both VFR Photographic Scenery and VFR Terrain currently cover just England & Wales. Finally, if you do buy VFR Terrain, you will find an interesting demo on the CD which may just answer some of the issues you have with the photo scenery.Who knows, you might even be converted!JohnVisual Flighthttp://www.visualflight.co.uk

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Hi,Sorry I did not reply I went on holiday for two weeks just after posting that, and was quite surprised this morning to find my name in the thread whilst reading about UK Mesh.I would like to confirm the mesh I had problems with, (lakes running up the hill) was not the FS Terrain by Visual Flight, it was Pietro Mauri's Mesh.If you don't mind lakes on a "slant" then it is a good freeware mesh, for a comparison of other Meshes look in the latest issue of PC Pilot.To: Visual Flight, no offence taken and sorry I did not make my original post a bit clearer.CheersTerry

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