October 29, 201015 yr Is it possible to kind of visit a real world MD-11 (incl. cockpit access) without flying with one to distant destinations (KLM)? Andreas, LOWW - Nihil sumus et fuimus mortales. Respice, lector: In nihil ab nihilo quam cito recidimus.
October 30, 201015 yr Or just get a jumpseat flight on a cargo flight . Not sure on the price though but im sure it would be worth it . Lee Marrow
December 3, 201015 yr Is there a real possibility to order a jumpseat flight over cargo?I always thought that is only for crewmembers and staff of the airline....Look here:http://crewroom.alpa.org/fdx/jumpseat/If anyone know a way to do a flight in this way (paying of course) can please let us know?It can be a great way for flying this heavy beast....;)Cheers Paolo Fumagalli "Everyday is a new flight, with new system to learn, new failures to prevent and new database to update..."
December 3, 201015 yr I suspect the ease of such access depends in some part on what country you are in. The U.S. currently has some unfriendly rules for cockpit access for non-citizens. Doug Orvis PP-ASEL-IA (USA), Based at KHEF Picture courtesy of Kyle Rodgers
December 3, 201015 yr Yeah, that's normal i think...In the USA and Europe i think it's difficult to be accepted on jumpseat...But i don't know for sure, it's an interesting opportunity if there is a way to figure out how to know if it's possible... Paolo Fumagalli "Everyday is a new flight, with new system to learn, new failures to prevent and new database to update..."
December 4, 201015 yr Commercial Member Yeah, that's normal i think...In the USA and Europe i think it's difficult to be accepted on jumpseat...But i don't know for sure, it's an interesting opportunity if there is a way to figure out how to know if it's possible...No chance of getting a jumpseat on any MD11 freighters that I know off since 9/11 unless your dead heading. Rob Prest
December 5, 201015 yr Commercial Member I suspect the ease of such access depends in some part on what country you are in. The U.S. currently has some unfriendly rules for cockpit access for non-citizens. Has nothing to do with non-citizens as far as I know - if you're not FAA approved to be there, you can't go anywhere near a transport category aircraft's cockpit in flight in the US. That includes citizens. Ryan MaziarzFor fastest support, please submit a ticket at http://support.precisionmanuals.com
December 5, 201015 yr Don't hold your breath.FAR Part 121 Sec. 121.547 Admission to flight deck(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless the person being admitted is-(1) A crewmember;(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;(3) Any person who-(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and(ii) Is an employee of-(A) The United States, or(:( A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or© An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of safety.(:( For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder. However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.© No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except-(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to observe ATC procedures;(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority; and(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority.[Doc. No. 6258, 29 FR 19220, Dec. 31, 1964, as amended by Doc. No. 8084, 32 FR 5769, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 121-253, 61 FR 2613, Jan. 26, 1996; Amdt. 121-288, 67 FR 2127, Jan. 15, 2002; Amdt. 121-298, 68 FR 41217, July 10, 2003]
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