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And STARs?

KLAS has a ton of RNAV STARs and SIDs. Its a good airport if you fly US.

So with RNAV SIDs AND STARs does ATC just expect the crew to fly the SID/STAR they filed? What is the terminology. For example, when listening to ATC at LAX, I never hear controller say anything along the lines of lets say "Delta 123 runway 25R fly Holtz9 departure cleared for takeoff". Is it just assumed and the crew will fly the SID/STAR as published unless told otherwise? I hope this makes sense I'm just curious about this.Thanks, David Schleck (KMKE)

So with RNAV SIDs AND STARs does ATC just expect the crew to fly the SID/STAR they filed? What is the terminology. For example, when listening to ATC at LAX, I never hear controller say anything along the lines of lets say "Delta 123 runway 25R fly Holtz9 departure cleared for takeoff". Is it just assumed and the crew will fly the SID/STAR as published unless told otherwise? I hope this makes sense I'm just curious about this.Thanks, David Schleck (KMKE)

You will be cleard to fly it. For a SID, this will tend to be given to you on your initial clearence. "Cleared to Honolulu via the Ventura Five Departure, DINTY transition, then as filed." As STARS go, you could hear a confirmation from ATC to the aircrew that they are capable of flying the RNAV STAR (the plane could have suffered an equipment INOP enroute). Then you will hear something like, cleared to descend to 6,000 on the MOORPARK THREE ARRIVAL.The main idea of any published procedure is to cut down on the airtime a controller will require to hand out instructions. He/she could very well tell you to Cross PAULA at 10,000, then cross WAKER at 6,000. Much easier and quicker to say, descend via the MOORPARK arrival.Now for a RNAV IAP, you will be given a minimum altitude, which will almost always coincide with the missed approach altitude indicated on the plate, at which point you must inform the controller if you have the field in sight. You might also get from time to time a request from ATC to inform him/her when you are passing a certain waypoint on the procedure.

So with RNAV SIDs AND STARs does ATC just expect the crew to fly the SID/STAR they filed? What is the terminology. For example, when listening to ATC at LAX, I never hear controller say anything along the lines of lets say "Delta 123 runway 25R fly Holtz9 departure cleared for takeoff". Is it just assumed and the crew will fly the SID/STAR as published unless told otherwise? I hope this makes sense I'm just curious about this.Thanks, David Schleck (KMKE)

Yeah thats basicly how it works. A plane will file with an RNAV SID (+ possible STAR) and it will be treated the same as a non-RNAV procedure.

Speaking of KLAS-KLAX, one of the most common routes is BOACH3 HEC RIIVR2, the RIIVR2 STAR ends at the IAP for ILS25L, so sometimes during busy hours online you can get this clearance before your T/D : "Descend per the RIIVR2 arrival, after RIIVR cleared ILS25L approach". This will clear you from before your top of descent all the way down to your decision altitude. There are no vectoring required to intercept the localizer. Its a nice arrival into KLAX, pretty straight forward and easy. And its a short route too. Its normally the route I fly whenever I get a new payware.

Thanks for the answers. Appreciate it guys.David Schleck (KMKE)